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anyone need help with double tonguing?

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anyone need help with double tonguing?    00:32 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

bowralbusker
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if anyone needs help with double tonguing i have some good excercises that someon taught me and they really help. get a cup of water and a straw. ok? and blow through the straw as hard as you can. (keep the cup away from you as you dont get wet). then try double tonguing through the straw. ta ga ta ga helps. thats how i do it anyway. um yes. do this excercise every day and trust me all the work will not go to waste. you will find yourself a seriously good double tonguer! seriously try it-it helps

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    03:09 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jose_luis
(1423 points)

The main difficulty with double tonguing I encounter is having the "ta" and the "ga" produce equally sounding notes. (I use other syllables, such as tu - cu, because of the different language)

How does your exercise with the water and straw could help on that?

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    04:11 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Kara
(2900 points)

I think the only thing you might accomplish with that method is:

A. You get wet
B. You quench your thirst
C. You waist water and a lot of straws in the process.





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Please note I spelled it WAIST and not waste on purpose. I thought you might like that bowralbusker. (Inside joke.)


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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    04:23 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Kara
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jose_luis, try using doo ga, if you haven't yet.

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    12:50 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Adhmaid
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One of my languages is the same as José Luis'. I use ta-ca normally, although I am having a hard time over the whole thing! Could anybody make other suggestions?

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    13:19 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jose_luis
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Kara, I've just tried "doo ga" in my understandimg of the corresponding sounds.

I take "doo" as one pronounces the verb to "do" and "ga" as in gallery.

But the "a" in ga forces my throat to open quite a lot. It seems to give more force to the secpnd tonguing but its exhausting and too slow. Am I taken the wrong vowel values?

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    14:49 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Kara
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You have the doo right, but it depends on your accent when saying galary. Try saying Goo, I think that one works better, at least it does for me. The GA may make you have to part your lips more then neccesary, making it harder, when thinking more about it.

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Sorry, I meant gallery.

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    16:36 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Celebrian
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Ah ha, ah ha, Kara!!! Inside joke... great! With double tounging, I was always taught "tuh - kuh" and then told to take simple scales faster and faster. Primitive, but it worked. (I tried the straw thing, though, out of boredom, and I waisted a straw, a cup, and water.)

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    05:11 on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jose_luis
(1423 points)

I get it Kara, thank you.

The second syllable should be something like the goo of Google.

"D" and "G" are softer sounds also in Spanish.

I think the teacher told me to use this tu - kuh at the beginning, because it was easier to learn. Then I should practise with softer Ds and Gs.

I guess the same thing is valid for normal tonguing, except when a sharp note attack is required.

Anyway, we have left double tonguing aside for the moment, as I still cannot finger fast enough as to need it.



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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    05:13 on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jose_luis
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Sorry, with sharp I meant "sudden", not the semitone..

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    05:58 on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Micron
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My tongue has always been disgustingly slow, so I resort to double tonguing more readily than most players.

ONne exercise I found particularly good in getting the sounds even is playing triplet passages with double tonging:
Tkt ktk tkt ktk.....

Another much more difficult exercise, is playing a common rhythm from Sullivan patter songs, and IRish music:

Similar to the above, but the first note of the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th etc triplet is dotted longer, and the second note of these triplets halved in length.

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    16:12 on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Lera
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I do TKT Tripelets.
Also I have done Side to side toung movment on lips.


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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    16:21 on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Celebrian
(281 points)

I find that a tick-a-tah works really well to get my tounge moving in practice, as I warm up. It sounds a little like a train, because I place the accent on the first "tick." My tounge has always been stubborn, but this loosens it up a little.

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    10:59 on Thursday, April 27, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

schoolgirl0125
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OOh, for triple tounging..it's usually tkt tkt tkt..right? but my teacher wants me to do tkt ktk tkt ktk and so...on. it's kinda harder then the normal one..but she says that'll be better when you triple tounge. have you guys tried that?

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Re: anyone need help with double tonguing?    00:19 on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

bowralbusker
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sorry 'kara' actually if you have skill you dont get wet. just wear an apron and ull be fine! lol! and you get wet a bit to start with but dur cope!


   

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