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Help!!! three octave scales!!!

Help!!! three octave scales!!!

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Help!!! three octave scales!!!    09:10 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Marylin
(16 points)

Hi all.
well the problem is this:
I am first chair, but the second challenged me and the challenge is to play F and Eb scales in 3 octaves.

Any one has a specific fingering that works the best for D E Eb and F way up above the staff?


Thanks!

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    09:12 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Patrick
(1443 points)

you can find those fingerings on some charts, but the sound is difficult to produce..what is the basis of such a challenge?

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    09:17 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Marylin
(16 points)

well, the girl thinks she can still get first chair bt challengin me.
And worst of all, our director just told us the challenger can set up what the challenge going to be on, which I know it's unfair because she already has an advantage and I don't

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    09:32 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Marylin
(16 points)

I found the fingering chart, but there're so many for just one note!
I would like to know whats best to play those high notes.


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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    11:07 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Micron
(1365 points)

The best fingering is the one that works for you and your particular flute, considering pitch, ease of playing, perhaps tone, and easy changes form the previous and following notes.

Can you lodge a return challenge, to be heard at the same time, on something that is a bit more representative of good flute playing? Say a piece that you have mastered.

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    11:23 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Bilbo
(845 points)

Boy, I realize that this sounds like Phil McC. but.....
IF you ask me, (not that you did) playing the very high F, E and Eb as a challenge is basically ridiculous. Any band director which would prefer to hear a player's tone quality on these notes is a bit misguided. Are you performing them regularly in your band pieces? Getting those notes out is really more of a acrobatic stunt than a musical experience and also equally as much subject to the particular characteristics of the individual flute rather than the player's skills.

Try the challenge on something like the Chaminade Concertino, Poulenc Sonata or the likes. Even a good Anderson study played musically would be a better indication as to musicianship. I'd much rather hear a quality rendition of the final flute solo from A Night on Bald Mountain than some player screetching out a high E4.

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    11:25 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Patrick
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I agree Bilbo, this is why dealing with many BD's is very frustrating...

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    12:10 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Marylin
(16 points)

I feel the same way with this annoying challenge...
I'm practicing the notes...but still on monday, or maybe today, when I see my band director I tell him to change it to something more musical than the acrobatic scales. lol


Thanks to all!


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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    12:16 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Marylin
(16 points)

Oh! and just to fill in the gap.
All this was the challenger's idea, neither the director or I had anything to do with this.
Isn't weird?
In a way, I think she chose the ugly scales just because she knows I can perfom better on an actuall piece than something she also knows I find pointless.

wow lol

Stay tuned to know what happens later on. lol

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    12:45 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Patrick
(1443 points)

perhaps then you should see who can hold a note the longest while standing on your head...or see who can play the bumblebee the fastest while asleep..

anyone have more challenge ideas for our young friend here?

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    13:37 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Alieannie
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and you have to hold the flute to the left, not to the right, as you so-called "flutists" do.. lol

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    16:13 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

FirstChairForeve
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that does not make sense. scales do not determine who is the better player. Musical solos and difficult pieces determine that. tone, production, and rythm is always what i look for in a flute player. Not silly scales!!! all scales do is show that you know a key signature!! tell this seconed person, that even if she can do some 3 octave scales "GOOD FOR HER!"

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    16:36 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Flutist06
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I have to disagree with you, here, FirstChairForever. Scales do indeed make a good player....However, playing them into extremes of the range does not. Scales are the most basic building blocks of music (after individual pitches, of course), and it is very important that any performer be comfortable with them in all their permutations. Scales do far more than show that you know a key signature...Aside from making sight reading much easier, they show that you've taken the time to study the instrument thoroughly and care enough to learn the basics. What you mentioned you look for in a flutist is only a small part of what matters in an audition setting. Most people can learn to play notes and rhythms, but unless you can do so musically, you probably won't get past the prelim round. I agree with the others that the challenge that has been set is a ridiculous way to judge the better player, but scales should certainly be part of a challenge that encompasses material that more accurately indicates musicianship as well. A relevant solo piece or exercise, along with scales throughout the standard range of the instrument, and perhaps other material depending on the particular circumstances and players involved would be ideal.

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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    18:42 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Bilbo
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Actually this does make sense for this challenger person. If she has worked on this area of the extrime high range and expects to beat Marylin at it, then she has one the day in her eyes.

As we've all agreed, it does not necessarily make her a better musician.

Next challenge: play the flute off to the left with the head joint placed upside down on the top lip while doing the 2 octave A major scale in fifths.


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Re: Help!!! three octave scales!!!    22:18 on Sunday, October 14, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Micron
(1365 points)

And then see who can make the best or longest cow moo, by fingering the lowest note and lip buzzing into the far end of the flute.

See who can bend a specific note furthest in pitch.

See who can circular breath, buzzing diggeridoo style.

These are all equally as unsuitable for ascertaining skill on flute.

   





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