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flutesandpiccolo
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I just wanted to know what does a open G# mean? I've seen them around, but never knew what it is(probably something right in my face)
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vampav8trix
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I was looking at buying an older haynes a few weeks ago that had an open G#. My instructor told me that the G# is open all the time. On modern flutes the G# is normally closed. If you play a flute with an open G# you will have to hold it closed unless it needs to be open. When playing G# or Eb you won't have to open that key.
Just look at your flute and imagine the G# being open all the time.
That's how it was explained to me.
The lady that bought the flute had the key reversed so that it is like a modern flute. Closed unless actuated.
This is what I was told. I hope it helps.
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Bilbo
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Yes, the left pinkey G# finger works in reverse. What is normally up on a standard closed G#/Ab flute would be down for that one finger on all of the fingerings.
For example: the fingering for G# is T123/ 000 D# <LH pinkey is up.
and for G natural is
T123 G# / 000 D# <LH pinkey is down.
Some advocate this because it can provide more stability.
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suzie
(342 points)
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Yay! An open G# discussion! =) Open G#... WHAT A PAIN! Because the majority of flute players play on closed G# flutes, open G# is almost backwards (well, actually, it is!) when you think about it. I first had an open G# Rittershausen a few years back and went to play and said to myself-- WTF! NOTHING BELOW Ab IS COMING OUT! So THEN, I realized, the whole setup difference. If you want to try something REALLY confusing, try an open G# flute WITH reversed thumb keys! Let me know if you'd like a photo example of THAT! Luckily, I had first dibs (between my two friends and I) on the open G# flutes at Phil Unger's a few years back since nobody else knew what the heck to do with such a thing! =) They're kind of fun to play with and there's no need for split E with them because the open G# is utilitizing that tonehole preventing the tuning issue (at least helping the tuning issue with high E).
Here's a link to a photo collage I just put together to try and help:
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/foreverwoodwinds/?action=view¤t=openvsclosed.jpg
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Also-- see this link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Emerson-ELD-Solid-Silver-Plateau-Flute-Open-G-C-Tril_W0QQitemZ110226426988QQihZ001QQcategoryZ10183QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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PS- I'm the one that requested they mention the rev. thumb keys =)
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Micron
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A bit different from some of the above description...
There is no G# tone hole, pad, key cup, hinge etc as we know it on our standard flutes.
We are used to two G keys, which operate together. They are normally open.
For an open G# flute, we have the following:
Both what we know as G keys operate completely independently. They are both normally open.
The lower one has an extension soldered to it, similar to what we normally press for our G# key.
To play G# we do NOT press this one. We simply press what we currently call the G key.
To play G, we press both what we currently call G, plus that extension that we would currently call G#, i.e. we close both those key cups that we would normally have called the upper and lower G keys.
So, the fingering for G and G sharp are effectively reversed!! This is extremely confusing, so it never caught on, even though it is far, far more sensible.
- It makes the fingering more logical.... We keep closing more keys as we go down the chromatic scale.
- Significantly less manufacturing, without that extra key and tone hole.
- Better venting for G#... (The key we are used to cannot open as much as other keys, because of the confined space.)
- The flute body is a lot stronger because it does not have tow tone holes in the same location.
- Technicians don't have to bother with adjusting a linkage between the G keys. One less pad to fit and adjust.
- No need to have a split E mechanism to make third octave E more reliable. (We would get the same effect as a split E by simply adding what we know as the G# key.)
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Note how what we would call the G# keys "touch-piece" is attached directly to what we would call the lower G key.
http://www.oldflutes.com/im/opgsh.jpg
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