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Spencer
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I am looking to buy a new flute and I have a few options in mind. My price range is 4,000 dollars, and the flute needs to have:
offset G
C# trill key
Split E mechanisim
Sterling Silver headjoint, body and foot
Pointed key arms
Open holes
I am looking at the Haynes Q2 Classic, the Yamaha 675HCT, the Pearl 765 Quantz Coda, the DiMedici 1011, the Trevor James Recital 2, and the Brio! B2.
If anyone has any other choices and has any feedback on any of these names, I would like to hear from you.
Thank You,
Spencer
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Afroburst
(53 points)
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I would have to say the Yamaha because I like the easyiness of it or the haynes because the sound was what i was looking for. You really have to try for yourself. I found the Trevor recital to be to dark for me but our 1st chair sounds really bright on it though.
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BlackTulip
(15 points)
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The Pearl Elegante Coda has the features you want and it is handmade and well within your budget. There is also the Lyric 2BP that has the C# trill and split E as available options. I haven't played either model so I can't comment. But do as Patrick says and try them all!
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mbrowne1229
(411 points)
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correction: the pearl isnt handmade. the pearls dont begin to be handmade until the cantabile model (i believe).
personally, im not a fan of any of those models, but you should get your ahnds on any and every flute you can, regardless of whether or not it has a split e or a c# trill.
good luck!
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also, i dont think you should buy a flute solely based upon the silver content. a plated muramatsu ex is a million times more flute than a silver gemeinhardt.
dont dismiss a flute because it has a plated body or keys or something. play all of them!
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Kara
(2843 points)
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Okay I will give you my personally opinion. Please, don't get offended if someone plays on a brand I don't like. I don't mean it personally.
Haynes Q2 Classic - Nice, good even scale and nice tone.
Yamaha 675HCT- Nice but I don't like the scale or Yamaha headjoints.
Pearl 765 Quantz Coda- Don't like. Tinny sound and mechanism clunky for me. Again, I don't like the headjoint on this flute.
DiMedici 1011- Okay, I haven't played too many of these.
Trevor James Recital 2- Don't like. Cheap feeling, don't like the sound at all.
Brio! B2- Should I even go there??? I feel that they are falsely advertised. Gemeinhardt claims they have a Sheridan head on them when in fact, they are nothing like Sheridan heads.
If you have to have solid silver then I would pick the Haynes in the list you have and Yamaha second.
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What about the Lyric line made by Miyazawa? I would put that on your list. They are fantastic!
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"also, i dont think you should buy a flute solely based upon the silver content. a plated muramatsu ex is a million times more flute than a silver gemeinhardt."
VERY TRUE!!! The EX beats all the above in that list in my opinion except maybe the Haynes. I would have to try the Haynes flute with the EX I have to do a proper comparison though.
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Patrick
(1388 points)
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if your budget is $4,000, you can find an older instrument and then opt for a better headjoint if you so choose, personally, I have never owned a new instrument at the pro level...as has been said on this forum many many times, check out flute world, winds101, yourfluteworks.com, flutefinders.com, flute center of ny, etc...most of these companies will send flutes for you to try..
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Alieannie
(659 points)
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I myself am a big proponent of buying used. It's an easy way to buy more flute for the money and let the original owner take that markup hit. It requires a little more work & searching to make sure the flute is in proper repair, but is worth all that potential savings and you'll have a higher end flute, so the delayed gratification is worth it. My high end flutes have been used and it's been the only way I could have afforded them, which I am grateful for 
Patrick named some good hotspots to start looking, should you decide to go that route.
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Also, do you find that a split e is really necessary? I think a doughnut works much better and it's one less mechanical thing to go wrong if you don't have that split e mech. It also will add a few hundred dollars to your bill so if you're on a budget, then it may easily be something to drop off your list.
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BlackTulip
(15 points)
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My statement about the Elegante being handmade is based on the info on their website.
Quotes are taken directly from Pearl's website.
"The Elegante series has consistently been one of Pearl's best selling instruments.
The reasons: handmade workmanship, precise intonation, and a brilliant
and projecting sound. This series has been in the Pearl line for
over a decade and has provided countless flautists
with unrivaled confidence... The CODA options for both the Elegante and Dolce series bring elements of handmade professional instruments into the mid-range budget. CODA instruments offer 10K Gold lip, C# trill keys, B footjoint and D# roller all as standard-another industry"
and
"The Dolce series is built in the same mould as the Elegante. The continued commitment to
accuracy of pitch and flexible articulation is maintained. This beautiful
instrument will allow more aspiring artists than ever to
experience the joy of owning and performing
on a Pearl handmade flute."
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vampav8trix
(197 points)
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Hi,
Personally, I would go for a higher end used flute. You will get more bang for your buck. If someday you may find that you need to sell it, you won't take such a huge loss. Plus when you are talking about the higher end flutes they have usually been played by people who take excellent care of their instruments. You hardly ever see a banged up Powell.
How about a Muramatsu?
I like Altus if you can find one.
I tried a DiMedici. It was okay.
I have never played a higher end Yamaha.
I don't like the Brio or the Trevor James.
Flutes are very personal.
Good Luck and Happy Shopping.
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mbrowne1229
(411 points)
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agreed on the idea of a split e.
i dont like them. many people dont like them. i would suggest a donut if youre looking for somehting that makes a high e come out "better" (I use that term very carefully).
i dont like the yamahas. i think theyre nothing but overglorified student flutes. i honestly cant tell a difference between a student yamaha and a 600 series yamaha when using the same headjoint except for one has open holes. some may disagree with me but oh well.
im sure joe can help decide where the handmade pearls begin (if he sees this). but im like... 98% percent positive that the handmade-ness begins at the cantabile.
something else to consider (but doesnt have the C# trill) is the dean yang. nice intermediate flute. then again, that is what youre looking at, right? considering the flutes youve listed. the lyric is also a nice flute. i know of some people who play on them and they sound fantastic.
i would look into the japanese companies if youre interested in a professional model. these professional flutes are more flute than these "solid silver" intermediate flutes youve mentioned. try a muramatsu (the gx model has plated keys but has the C# trill option) or a miyazawa (they have the same options but with more plating than the muramatsu. still a great flute, however).
as i said before, i HIGHLY ADVISE YOU NOT to buy a flute based upon silver content! i think this is a misconception among many young flutists today. "more silver the better!" even when theyre not taking the design of the instrument into consideration. im nearly offended!
good luck though. there are many nice flutes out there. TRY USED AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Alieannie
(659 points)
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Black tulip,
Just be careful how much you buy into a flute manufacturer's marketing and hype. There really is a marketing campaign going on and they want you to buy their best, most expensive product! They are out to make money, so keep that in mind.
Don't accept what a flute company says as pure doctrine. Otherwise, we'd all have to play on $20,000 gold flutes with soldered tone holes and platinum headjoints, otherwise "we are not playing up to our full potential" blah blah blah.... Make sure your personal opinions are backed up by personal experience and research. You can save a lot of money by being an educated consumer, and not just in the flute world
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For example, I love how every flute company says their flute scale is the best and most modern.... Whatever!!! I think there are some flutes out there with really sucky scales!
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BlackTulip
(15 points)
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Alieannie, perhaps you need to re-read my post. Not once did I state any personal opinions, I merely quoted what Pearl says on their website. I did not tell anyone to go run out and buy a Pearl flute, I even stated in an earlier post that I have never played one so I couldn't comment.
I realize that a lot of what is said from all flute companies is sale's puffery. But if a company states a particular product is handmade, semi-handmade,has french pointed arms, or has gold springs those are facts and not sales puffery.
Statements saying that an instrument is exquisite, has a gorgeous sound, or it will give you new confidence in your playing constitutes sale's puffery. I have been a consumer long enough to distinguish sales hype from fact.
But, if a company is going to market any aspect of their product to be handmade then it better be handmade. My quotes from the Pearl website are were just to indicate to mbrowne1229 that Pearl is advertising the Elegante and Dolce lines as handmade or semi-handmade instruments.
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mbrowne1229
(411 points)
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they can say whatever theyd like. like when reading about gold bonded flutes (such as aurumite, "gold on silver" and gold plated flutes) many manufacturers say that this warms the tone. in my experience, NEVER has a gold plated flute sounded any different than a silver flute (when using the same headjoint). example: a golded plated lip plate has NO EFFECT on the sound. i HATE when manufacturers say otherwise because tis not true. gold riser? sure. despite the arguments, i will say that yes it does have an impact on the sound. PLEASE DONT ARGUE WITH ME, I KNOW WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS. JUST LET THEM BE.
i wouldnt believe a website that "brags" about tone or build until youve experienced it for yourself or someone else trustworthy has as well. you wouldnt buy a new car if the crash test ratings are low even if the company says otherwise, right? (bad example but you get the point)
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Micron
(1329 points)
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"i dont like the yamahas. i think theyre nothing but overglorified student flutes. i honestly cant tell a difference between a student yamaha and a 600 series yamaha when using the same headjoint except for one has open holes. some may disagree with me but oh well."
Perhaps ANY pro flute body could be called an over-glorified student flute. I wonder what a Powell sounds like with a student flute head on it. Probably much like a student flute.
Perhaps it could be said that any pro flute is just a more carefully made, mechanically higher-precision, level tone-hole version of a well designed student flute, with a vastly superior design of head on it. Add some glamour of precious metals to hype on about, and some puffed up pricing to match. That's it. Both student and pro bodies are both just a piece of tubing the right shape, with the right sized holes in the right places, and gadgetry to close those holes effectively.
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