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Transposing Eb to C    22:55 on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

flute10
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In order to transpose Eb alto sax music to C flute, what do you do? I know that you should play 3 half steps up, but do you have any other tips for transposing?

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    23:23 on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

zoom
(660 points)

There are a few shortcuts for transposing (on the fly) involving other clefs – here are two:

(i) An Eb baritone sax player can read bass clef music by "adding 3 sharps" and reading the part as if it were in treble clef. (Watch the accidentals!) Reverse the procedure if you're a trombonist/tubist/cellist reading bari sax music.
(ii) A trombonist can read a Bb tenor sax part (or a Bb treble clef eupho or brass band trombone part) by "adding two flats" and reading it as if it were tenor clef. (Again, watch the accidentals!)

Unfortunately, neither of these is applicable to flute.

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    00:21 on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Canadian
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Zoom, any short cuts on transposing bass to treble?

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    01:17 on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

zoom
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Curses! I can't get the "add melody" thing to give me bass clef notes. I get treble clef plus a zillion ledger lines instead. It'd be so easy to illustrate using actual illustrations. *seethe*

Basically, change the clef, read up from whichever line-or-space the note is on ... to the next line-or-space. (It looks like you're reading up a third.) The result is two octaves higher, which could possibly suit some treble clef instruments ... like the oboe!

This is probably as clear as mud. See if you can make sense of it (while I wrestle with this %#$%#$ "add melody" bizzo).

<Added>

OK – I've just uploaded a pdf of simple examples. It's currently "waiting approval" ...

I'll keep you posted!

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... now there's a gif screenshot awaiting approval as well ... as much to check out the uploading procedure as for any other reason. See how we go ...

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    23:13 on Thursday, May 15, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Canadian
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Oh, alright.

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    00:15 on Friday, May 16, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

zoom
(660 points)

... the example is still "pending" ...

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    02:35 on Friday, May 16, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

zoom
(660 points)

OK, Canadian – step over to this whiteboard *in best telemarketer-flogging-kitchen-gadgets voice*


Basically, read up a third: space to the next space; line to the next line – whichever is applicable. Referring to http://www.8notes.com/members/4684.asp?ftype=pdf ...

(a) Here's C in the bass clef.
(b) Here's C two octaves higher. All we've done is change the clef and move the note up to the next space. Of course, the end result is 2 octaves higher than the note we started with.

(c) This might be a common-or-garden range for a bass voice.
(d) 2 octaves higher looks like this, which might suit some treble clef instruments, like (ummmmm) the oboe.

(e) here's a random tune (!!!) in the bass clef.
(f) Here it is again – visually a line-or-space higher – actually two octaves higher, thereby suiting our miscellaneous treble clef instrument.


*best fanfare voice* Ta-Daaaaah!!

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    09:23 on Friday, May 16, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

JOhnlovemusic
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You could also Solfege it.

Instead of trying to read each note. Figure out your starting note and then play by the intervals.

Example:
If the phrase is C, D, E, F. You could think each note (C=E,D=F,E=G,F=A) or Solfege: C=E, start on E and then go up a step, up a step, up a step.

If the music goes down a fifth then go down a fifth from wherever you are. Playing by intervals and knowing them is a very good execise and can eliminte the use of having to transpose.

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    15:02 on Friday, May 16, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Canadian
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Zoom, the file doesn't load.. But I understand, just read up a third.



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Re: Transposing Eb to C    17:52 on Friday, May 16, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

zoom
(660 points)

C – sounds like the matter is well in hand anyway.

Just for (my) computer tech interest, can you see if the "gif" version loads? http://www.8notes.com/members/4684.asp?ftype=gif (Not sure who has access to what on this board.)



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Re: Transposing Eb to C    20:28 on Friday, May 16, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

MusicalPanda
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Zoom, would you know how to transpose from C to B flat? In from Treble to treble and from bass to treble, both from C to b flat. That would be great~

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    20:59 on Friday, May 16, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Canadian
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I suppose I could just change the clef and take off the top line and add a bottom line too.

Wouldn't that work?

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    22:35 on Friday, May 16, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

zoom
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MusicalPanda – as in: you want to read concert pitch music while playing a Bb (looks up profile) clarinet or bass clarinet, for instance.

Before I blurt a pat answer, can I prompt you to think it through first – *adjusts mortarboard* – what does an instrument in Bb mean? If you can work out the theory on this one, you'll be able to for any situation in future. Also, get those ears happening as JOhnlovemusic outlined above.

Here's a great exercise: grab a well-known tune – the theme from Zelda, say – and play it in each of the 12 keys. No "dots", just ears and brainpower!

Btw, check these out – lol – http://www.8notes.com/f/2_226583.asp


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Canadian – you're going to get through a fair bit of white-out that way.

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    12:06 on Saturday, May 17, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

flute10
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yeah... so how 'bout transposing Eb to C on the same clef?

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Re: Transposing Eb to C    15:15 on Saturday, May 17, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

zoom
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Hmmm ... I was assuming that when you said "I know that you should play 3 half steps up...", you had it under control. (The resulting flute part sounds an octave higher than the sax original, but probably sits just where you'd want it for practical purposes.)

Apart from that, I'd check out JOhnlovemusic's solfege advice. What about grabbing a really simple book of tunes and starting your sight-transposing with that? Any key to any other key, not just minor third higher.

Q: Is the Eb-to-C transposition needed because you're playing in a big band? (If so, there are some other parts that you might look at doubling, especially if you have a piccolo handy.)

   

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