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I_heart_tritones
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Hi
I have found a used yamaha 451, which, I've been told, is in perfect condition and is about 3-5 years old. It is selling for £750, which is well below the RRP and my budget.
I'm going to see it this weekend and I was wondering what, if any, experiences you have had with this model. I know it is what I think of the instrument that counts but I would appreciate your opinions.
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Plekto
(259 points)
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It's the 400 series - but the ones they sell in the Japanese market.
The price seems a bit high to me.
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I_heart_tritones
(5 points)
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The owner told me that yamaha have stopped making this model. It is now called the 514, or so I'm told. I thought the price was very reasonable considering my local music shop is selling the 411 for £1,185,
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kaflute133
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i have hard that. a man that once tried to sell me a used yamaha tht was a 400 series (not sure of the exact number) and he said it is compritable to the 500 series. not a huge yamaha flute person. i dont really know. i love there piccolos though....that was just a side not lol.
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suzie
(419 points)
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The 451's are basically a 411 I think but with pointed keys... Pardon my Yamaha ignorance... The 451 models usually sell for $650-750 on eBay from eBay seller: moneygreen . Cheshireflutes usually sells them (which he buys from moneygreen [the 451's]) but I'd recommend checking different eBay land's to find the 451 cheaper as it can be quite cost-efficient. If you need help, drop me a PM and I'll look for links for you. There are 2 types of sellers: the kind that tell you that you're getting a great deal and won't find another for less than their price and the kind that reviews other prices for the same item(s) and prices their item(s) accordingly without trying to ream you in the end and being greedy. One of the eBay members above (not moneygreen *hint*) buys from the USA cheap and lists in the UK for 2x the price he pays. Why not buy directly from the USA and pay for any possible minor adjustments vs. paying 2x more? Just my opinion as it's sometimes even helpful for me, personally, to purchase flutes from France, UK and Germany even when adding up shipping costs and converting currencies. =)
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Also, maybe if you contact moneygreen directly you can ask them if they're planning on getting anymore and maybe they'll sell directly to you, etc.
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Micron
(1406 points)
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£750
That's a huge amount to pay for a flute that has a student flute head design. You'd probably be better to buy even a 200 series, and put a pro head onit, such as Muramatsu's EX flute's head, or a pro Yamaha EC head.
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Alieannie
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Wow, that's almost $1500 USD. Way too much. An intermediate yamaha can easily be purchased for $1000 and with some digging, possibly less. I'd pass without batting an eye. You could find it new for that price.
Yamahas do have nice mechanisms; Micron made a great recommendation with simply getting a student yamaha body and stick a nice handmade headjoint. College music majors do it sometimes if they can't afford a professional flute. Or if you're going to spend around $2k, you can't beat a muramatsu ex. They should start paying me for how much I recommend them.
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I_heart_tritones
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I did try the yamaha 451 and I left it where it was. The instrument needed a good overhaul (perfect condition pfft!) and it wasn't worth the money. The owner obviously didn't really know much about flutes
Using a professional head joint with a student body is a great suggestion, however the mechanism, pads and plating of my yamaha 211, which I've had for 10+ years, would need a great deal of money to overhaul and wouldn't do a professional hj much justice.
I went to my local music shop and after testing flutes for hours I'm decided to trial a used Miyazawa PA-101, which I am more than happy with. I love the tone and the general feel of it. I'm probably going to purchase it for £850.
Thanks for your suggestions and advice
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