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vampav8trix
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I finally got fed up and took out my high E facilitator about an hour ago. What a difference. My high notes now sound clear once more. They are no longer cracking. My high E is sharp again and I am going to have to learn to make adjustments. A to E in both directions is a little hit or miss. I can probably work my butt off and fix that problem but I am not home everyday to practice.
When I took it out of the tone hole I could see why it was installed at the top of the tone hole. The tone holes are very shallow. I have never taken apart my Muramatsu before. I leave that for the professionals and I am still a dabbler. I got it back together with a minimum of fuss and not a single scratch on it. The pads are sealing well and I didn't have to make any adjustments. Thank you to the powers that be!
I am thinking about maybe getting a used yamaha with a split E and see if I like it. Maybe something cheap in the student line to see if I should possibly get one on my next flute. I played one with a split E for about a minute in the store. I thought it was great but I would like to play one for longer to see if I really like them.
No more doughnuts for me. I need to watch my figure. 
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mbrowne1229
(491 points)
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im sorry it didn't work out for you. I love my donut (did you have the metal crescent thingy or did you have the plastic donut? who installed it?) and couldn't imagine life without it. I'm currently using another flute while mine is out of service. This one doesn't have a donut and it sucks! Maybe you're just a better player than I... haha
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vampav8trix
(424 points)
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| Maybe you're just a better player than I... haha |
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Ha Ha Ha
You are funny. I am a dabbler.
I had one of the best flute techs in town install the doughnut. He did a nice job. I can see that now that I have punched it out.
I had a metal doughnut. I believe that he had to cut it down to fit the hole. He does great work. A lot of the flute players with high end flutes here in town use him.
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Loch
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Very Intersting.
I'm getting ready to buy a Muramatsu and currently have a Yamaha 365 without a split E and a 674 with a spit E. When I moved up to the spit E I didnt notice any real improvement in lowering the high E, but noticed that some of the other notes seemed to be off pitch in different directions. Overall the improvement in the sound was so much better in the upgrade that I wasn't bothered. But Mura GX that I'll try first will not have a split.
A good source told me that she does not recommend the spit E because of the additonal hardware and lack of effect, but instead a disk if people have problems, so I was thinking about trying a disk. Not that I ever had any serious problems with the high E, just thought it was the thing to do at the time. (the split)
I did adjust to the split E however, but just don't think they are that effective. I've also read comments from good sources confirming my experience with other notes being out of whack.
One reason I wanted to try the disk was that I heard it also evened out dynamics in the surrounding notes (the E tends to be weaker than the others)
Anyway, you shouldn't expect miracles with a split E, and now I'm thinking the disk may not be worth it unless I could remove it easily, based on what you have said.
With my cheaper Yamaha I just learned to direct the air down more for the E than I did for the surrounding notes which you normally blow more horizontally as in any high pitch.
Just my 3 cents. Good luck.
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vampav8trix
(424 points)
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I don't need a high e facilitator or a doughnut in my flute. I am now able to get the E to pop out in tune. I can go from high A to E and get it to pop out.
I guess that is what practice is for.
I guess the only bells and whistles I want on a flute are a C# trill key and a D# roller.
All of that for nothing.
Oh well.
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leighthesim
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my first flute has a split e but my new flute does not i haven't really noticed the difference, my new flue is better though(got a solid silver head and a brand name yay!), i suppose it is personal preference about split e's and high e facilitators, if you can play it well in tune without one why go to the bother of finding a flute with one?, but if you can't play wihout on you need it, i suppose it depends on the flute and the players ability with the flute.
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Micron
(1756 points)
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The real test of whether you could benefit from a split E is whether you can cleanly play "3 little maids form school" form "The Mikado".
Fast semiquava slurs from 2nd octave A to third octave E. I reckon you can easily tell in recordings, those flute players who have no E facilitation.
As for it messing up other notes, it can only mess up notes where the E key down and the G key is not. In normal playing there aren't any other than that E. For all other notes (other than E key down and the G key not) the split E CANNOT affect them, because the mechanism does not come into operation.
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If a flute with a split E seems to be no different for those critical slurs, then I suspect it is way out of adjustment.
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travel2165
(90 points)
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micron wrote:
"Fast semiquava slurs..." (of course he meant "semiquaver")
For readers of American English, that's "Fast sixteenth-note slurs." 
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contra448
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If everyone went back to Boehm's original design & had an open G# there would be no need for split Es, no double G keys to go out of adjustment & one less pad to leak.
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Micron
(1756 points)
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And zillions of players with very confused fingers, so it just won't happen, any more than changing the locations of the letters on a (typewriter) keyboard.
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kara1
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split e's are for people that are lazy or just suck on flute and can't get an E out without one. i can slur no problem with my e's. its called practice!
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kara1
(35 points)
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why don't you? what is the big deal and why must you bully people to prove themselves?
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Micron
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I have noting to prove in this area. I acknowledge that palying that piece is likely to be somewhat messy without a split E or equivalent. Including if I play it.
It is you who are claiming that you can play anything involving E perfectly without the facilitation. Put your playing where your mouth is!
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