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Fourth octive D on flute

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Fourth octive D on flute    11:29 on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

vampav8trix
(296 points)

Hi Everyone,

Any tips for getting the 4th octive D to sound (D7). I have tried all of the alternate fingerings. I've tried rolling in and out. Moving my embouchure around...

Do I need to make a teeny tiny embouchre hole? Possibly smaller than I am capable of at this time?

I have even blown my brains out and managed a squeek once.

Is this note just one of the really tricky ones?

What works for you guys?

Thanks

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    13:01 on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Alieannie
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For me, it seems to require the perfect angle of air stream, else it won't sound. The most important factor, I think, is the air stream speed. It takes a TREMENDOUS amount of air speed to get those 4th octave notes out, possibly more than you ever thought necessary!
Can you hit a high C#? Try working from b, c, c#, then d...

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    13:52 on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Patrick
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try to approach the note, never ever roll in and out, won't work and will kill the intonation..approach the note chromatically from below and you will get it..

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    13:58 on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Plekto
(305 points)

It really requires good diaphragm control. You can't do notes up in that range by just blowing harder.

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    14:02 on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

vampav8trix
(296 points)

Thanks guys.

The C# is easy as pie. I can even get some of the notes above D. I tried the cromatic approach and by doing that and blowing my brains out, I managed to get a squeek. I can hear the overtones when I am not getting the note and just gently blowing air through my flute.


I usually don't ever roll my flute, but one of the alternate fingerings said to roll out and try playing the note. It didn't work. The regular fingering is the only one that I have had minimal success.

I remember many years ago in highschool I was able to get that note. Funny, I think that I had braces.

I will keep trying the cromatic thing.

Thanks

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    14:03 on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Plekto
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It really requires good diaphragm control. You can't do notes up in that range by just blowing harder.

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    14:38 on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

vampav8trix
(296 points)

I just got it once and I can't do it again.

I just finished playing a Handel sonata and I just blew into the flute like normal and it came out.

Then I played some more and I couldn't get it again.

I will work hard on my diaphram control plekto.


Thanks for the help.

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    15:39 on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

arabians207
(211 points)

That note has taken me a very long time to even get (I can play it better now, but still not super consistently)

Just work on longtones chromatically and work on attacks. Go from C# to D C# D back and forth.

I also think that doing harmonics (finger the very lowest B/C/C# and getting 5-6 (7? Up 3 octaves to the note your fingering) notes out. The top ones are REALLY difficult to get out but they really help get your embouchere right, and i bet D will be easier if you can play those even to the one or two below the top one.

It takes a lot of practice!

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    08:40 on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Alieannie
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Just give yourself time. All the notes up there are hard, especially at first

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Re: Fourth octave D on flute    09:10 on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Micron
(1480 points)

Air speed, lots of it.

For that, you need high pressure air from your lungs, which means strong tummy and intercostal (between rib) muscles.

Then you need excellent embouchure and a very small lip aperture to turn that air pressure into a high speed airstream.

Slightly shortening the airstream length favours higher harmonics too. That is the distance from your lips to the far edge of the embouchure hole.

Finally, that fast, skinny airstream must be aimed very accurately.

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    17:41 on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

OboeNightmare
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Hey,what's the fingering for high C#? High D?



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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    04:18 on Thursday, November 06, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Micron
(1480 points)

Take your pick. The ones at the top of the list are most common.
http://www.wfg.woodwind.org/flute/fl_alt_4.html

And here are even more:
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/flute/virtual/main.html

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    08:42 on Thursday, November 06, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

vampav8trix
(296 points)

Micron,

The second website is awsome. I have never seen it before.

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    22:37 on Thursday, November 06, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Micron
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I sometimes wonder if it was largely generated from a computer model. A well designed computer program should be able to spit out all potential fingerings for a note, which can then be tried for practical viability.

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Re: Fourth octive D on flute    15:29 on Friday, November 07, 2008 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Plekto
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It looks like it. Good thing, actually, since it allows for some quarter tones in there and also takes into account the B foot.

   





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