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Crown weight?    20:10 on Friday, July 03, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

reedsndeeds
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Whats the deal with crown weight?
Someone said to put beans or rice in the space between the crown & stopper to simulate a heavier crown.
What does that do?

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Re: Crown weight?    03:39 on Saturday, July 04, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

contra448
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There will be rattles unless packed very tightly



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Re: Crown weight?    09:06 on Saturday, July 04, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post -4 votes

Micron
(1756 points)

I's day it does absolutely nothing, just like a heavier crown, except save you being ripped off by an unscrupulous marketeer.

It just doesn't make sense to me.
The sound made by a flute is from a vibrating AIR COLUMN. So it is the shape of that AIR COLUMN th,at is relevant (and the shape includes the texture of the inside of the tube, and the shape of the tone holes and embouchure hole.)

Science knows (as well as science can) that the vibrations of the metal are so minute iin amplitude - (amplitude = sound volume) - that they cannot contribute significantly to the sound the flute produces.

The crown, and the air space beneath it, have nothing to do with the vibrating air column. These components vibrate no more than the walls of the tube.



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Re: Crown weight?    17:42 on Saturday, July 04, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

TBFlute
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You can stuff your flute with rice, you can soak the crown in holy water, and you can store your flute so that it is aligned with the magnetic poles. It won't make a bit of difference. Practicing will.

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Re: Crown weight?    20:11 on Saturday, July 04, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

lyd
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Wow TB- I love your response.... That just made me laugh.

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Re: Crown weight?    10:29 on Sunday, July 05, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 1 vote

Micron
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Take the crown right off.... Still no diference. Just a slight change to the weight distribution in the flute. Of course we must not confuse that with a tone change!

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Re: Crown weight?    09:56 on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

cynthiaflutegirl
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Some people swear by putting bolts in their headjoint crowns. I don't do it myself, but it must make some difference, don't you think?

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Re: Crown weight?    10:03 on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

vampav8trix
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Micron,

What is your opinion on gemstone crowns?

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Re: Crown weight?    12:30 on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

contra448
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I'm sure we can all guess what Micron's reply will be!

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Re: Crown weight?    13:28 on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

suzie
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LOL! Ain't that the truth, contra?!

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Re: Crown weight?    16:00 on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

binx
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vamp, gemstone crowns are the same thing. they are for looks. some people think they add weight and make a difference. think about this, a small portion of the top of the crown is not there in order to accommodate the gemstone. the weight of the gemstone has got to be even less in weight then the silver that was there to begin with. they may be nice to look at but they will not give you a difference in tone. practice will only do that.

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Re: Crown weight?    16:01 on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

binx
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haha contra! why even ask micron?

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Re: Crown weight?    21:43 on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

musicman_944
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Whats the deal with crown weight?
Someone said to put beans or rice in the space between the crown & stopper to simulate a heavier crown.
What does that do?


The current issue of Flute Talk magazine has an article by Patricia George that discusses crown weight. In it she describes having her students experiment with various crowns of different weight from her "toy bag" as she calls it:

In this Sound Lesson, the student tries each crown on his flute and evaluates the results. I begin with the titanium crown because it is the lightest. This shows students that if the crown is too light, the results are not good. Then we continue through all the crowns in order of heaviness. Someplace in the lineup of crowns, the student finds a crown that works well for him. Then we weigh it on a gram scale and try to reproduce the weight by adding weight to an open crown.
If you have an open crown, you can do some experiments by filling in the open area of the crown. My students start with rolled-up paper and then add a base of clay in which to stick a few grains of rice, lentils, or popcorn to increase the weight.


This is probably the basis for the original question...

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Re: Crown weight?    23:43 on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post -1 votes

Micron
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VAmpa, whoevers/he is, wrote, "Micron, What is your opinion on gemstone crowns"

And 3 people wrote silly comments. I'm into rational discussion but not really into silly comments that dis people.

Now for MY answer:

They are not for me, but some people regard them as prettty or beautiful. IMO, and I think in the opinion of acoustic science, they do not affect the sound of the flute at all. I think that is in agreement with Kara's view.



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Re: Crown weight?    00:20 on Thursday, July 09, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

binx
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i don't see any silly comments. and kara doesn't post anymore on here. i didn't see anything wrong with what i posted.

   





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