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Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?

Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?

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Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?    23:26 on Sunday, August 30, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

blueflute
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I bought a Gemeinhardt J1 flute today at the flea market and was hoping to get some more information about it. The only thing I could find was a posting on YouTube. There is nothing on Gemeinhardt's website, including lack of the serial number and no mention of this model at all. (It says some of their history has been lost...) Click here to see a picture of the flute.

I am not interested in playing this flute, as I already have a nice professional flute, but I am wondering if this is something that might be of interest to collectors? Should I keep this because it's "neat"?

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Re: Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?    11:06 on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

leighthesim
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due to the nature of the keys i would say it is something like the jupiter prododgy flute- meant for littler people. but i would say it the the equivilent of the 2sp or another begginers one.

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Re: Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?    18:53 on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

goldenflute
(32 points)

J1 is the standard headjoint on many of the Gemeinhardt flutes. (It can be plated or silver.) I don't believe it is a model number. Usually the J1 is stamped up at the crown on the opposite side of the tonehole.

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Re: Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?    08:21 on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Micron
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It has been possibly been modified after-market.

Note that the pivot rod in the foot joint has come unscrewed.

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Re: Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?    09:43 on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Bilbo
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"Note that the pivot rod in the foot joint has come unscrewed. "
Well yes. Of course it has.

Besides the interesting fact that it's either an Alto flute or it's made for smaller hands in the same sort of manner of an Alto flute, the D# has a stop arm instead of just a cork underneath the pinky finger lever.

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Re: Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?    10:15 on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

blueflute
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J1 is actually stamped on the body of the flute -- not the headjoint.

Because I saw another one just like this on YouTube, I don't think it is an aftermarket modification. It is standard key of C, so it can't be an alto flute.

I would agree that it would be great for smaller hands.

I saw that the screw was coming loose on the footjoint. You're really sharp to notice that in the picture!!!!

Soooo -- should I keep this because it's neat? I'm not going to play it. Do you think this would be detrimental for someone to learn on? I can't imagine that it would be good for someone to learn to put their fingers in a place that would be different from all other flutes.

And THANK YOU to all who have replied!!!!! I appreciate that!

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Re: Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?    12:21 on Thursday, September 03, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Bilbo
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"should I keep this because it's neat? I'm not going to play it. "

Whatever you would want to do. If your hands are larger, then you'd probably have troubles playing this flute.

"Do you think this would be detrimental for someone to learn on? I can't imagine that it would be good for someone to learn to put their fingers in a place that would be different from all other flutes."

If a young child with small hands needed a flute like this, it may be good for them for some time until they grow out of it. Especially if it played properly. The thing now is that the young person's flute market has changed a bit. Improved tuning supposedly but also to include flutes with curved heads to make the reach easier. I don't think however that the keys are altered for small hands like this Gemeinhardt flute. Some flutes even come with two heads Straight and curved. There is even a flute that has the body played vertically (Like a Clarinet) so that the player blows across the top of the head piece.

If the pads work and you aren't going to play it, I'd try to sell it to a deserving child.

~bilbo
N.E. Ohio



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Re: Gemeinhardt J1 Flute - Odd looking -- any info?    02:58 on Sunday, September 20, 2009 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

suzie
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First things first - the BARREL is MARKED with J1 on it, NOT the HEADJOINT where such a stamp USUALLY is!

Second - last I heard from Sharon Knepp at Gemeinhardt she didn't know what the heck I was explaining to her either in regards to the J1 model. I sent her pictures with no response (years ago).

Third - the key modifications ARE 100% ORIGINAL! I've had a J1 in my possession (a friend's) as well as a few old M3's (open hole) with the angled footjoint cluster.

Fourth - old-ish photos of my friends J1:
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/foreverwoodwinds/gemj1/?start=all

Fifth - my friend who I got the J1 for is in her 50s and complained of arthritic pains i her hands from the standard flute keys. I found this J1 on eBay in 2006 and snagged it for $80 @ auction.

Sixth - the toneholes are drawn and NOT rolled which indicates that this flute is an older model closer in similarity & production date as the M1. I'd guess the 50s-60s as manuf. year.

Seventh (and FINAL) - an M3 I had with angled footjoint cluster:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/foreverwoodwinds/gemm3/CIMG7473.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/foreverwoodwinds/gemm3/CIMG7110.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/foreverwoodwinds/gemm3/CIMG7096.jpg

   

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