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For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    14:32 on Tuesday, February 07, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jduncmusic
(22 points)

If anyone is interested, shoot me a mail asap (flutebyjaclyn@gmail.com). It's a great flute, but has some dark spots on the body (looks like some chemical got dripped on it?). Needs a COA, but being sold as is for $1025 + shipping. If it doesn't sell in the next day or 2, I'm going to return it to the vendor I acquired it from (didn't know about the cosmetic defect when I purchased being the reason for the return- was told it was just tarnish).

Just thought I'd try here first before sending it back!

A photo of the spots can be found here:
http://www.jaclynduncanmusic.com/resources/IMG_2662.JPG
http://www.jaclynduncanmusic.com/resources/IMG_2663.JPG

Thanks!



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Price is actually $1000 + shipping, but seeing that there's been a lot of offense taken from members due to my post, feel free to ignore it. If you found it offensive, my apologies!

That said, if anyone can tell me what may have caused the plating wear in those photos, I'm all ears. I'd love to learn. To me it doesn't look like it was from buffing or the effects of a poor soldering job, but maybe I'm wrong? At this point, I'm returning the flute, so it's not even mine anymore... but I'd still like to know what the markings are just in case I see it again.

Thanks for you grace and patience with me! :)

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Just to update- flute is no longer available. Thank You!

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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    14:38 on Tuesday, February 07, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jduncmusic
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Btw- more pics are avaialble of the entire flute. It has an EC headjoint.

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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    15:21 on Tuesday, February 07, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

travel2165
(260 points)

I'm sorry, but since joining this forum several days ago, you've been continually asserting your identity as a flute sales person. And here you've posted your first advertisement for a specific item.

This forum is not for flute sales. There is a Facebook page ("Flutes for Sale") for that, as well as numerous specific sites dedicated to used flute sales.

Please don't use this forum as advertising for your own business. It's not cool!

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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    16:50 on Tuesday, February 07, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jduncmusic
(22 points)

I've actually been reading this forum for years as a bit of a "lurker"! I've used it endlessly as a reference when I had a question about just about anything flute related. I finally decided to join. Sorry for any offense. If you'd noticed, I'd actually JUST asked a question about this particular flute (to correct the cosmetic issues). I woudln't have posted it as a "for sale" had I not just mentioned it in a post I started with a legitimate question having nothing to do with the sale. I'm happy if this flute doens't sell- what I mentioned is true- It will be returned in a day or two if nobody here wants it. To be honest, it's not really even really a "sale" from me as a vendor since I'm not offering it so I can profit off it. More just a "if someone wants this for cheap before I get rid of it, let me know..." type deal.

I have no intention of flooding your board with "for sale" posts (sorry if that was what you'd assumed), but I mention that I do sell refurbished flutes on the side as that is part of who I am and what I do (which gives context to that which I post). I'm also a performing musician. I lead my small ensemble on both piano (which is my first instrument) and flute.

Thanks and sorry again if there has been any confusion. I didn't think it was offensive, but if it was, my apologies!



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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    17:46 on Tuesday, February 07, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

travel2165
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It wasn't offensive -- just outside the normal guidelines expected by users of this forum.

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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    09:50 on Friday, February 10, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

PhilOShite
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It is difficult to tell from the photos, but the last time i saw marks like that it was where the plating had been worn off completely and the base metal could be seen. What would the base metal be on a flute? Regarding the adverts, best post constructively and people will soon forget all about it.

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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    15:54 on Friday, February 10, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jduncmusic
(22 points)

I showed the flute to my tech today and he didn't have any idea what it was either! In the end he landed in the same place as me- just looks like something was spilled on it that stripped the silver in those places. Based on the shape and placement it couldn't have been from buffing or just wear from handling. Who knows. Used instruments are so funny like that... you just never know what they've been through.

I always assumed it was some form of nickle under the plating, but I could be wrong. Any thoughts?

And thanks for the advice! Hopefully my bad first impression will diminish with time! :P

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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    14:28 on Wednesday, February 15, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jose_luis
(2365 points)

Hi travel 2165,

Although there may be a sort of tradition about this issue, I could not find a rule forbidding the sale or purchase of flutes or any other flute related item on this site. I understand some members may not like it, but as far as I know, there is no rule or guideline against it.

In the several years I have been part of the Flute Forum, I have seen many people offering things for sale and other buying them. I personally bought several scores from reputed members here and also a Yamaha instrument. I was very satisfied in all cases. I have also posted my requests for a Yamaha C silver foot a couple of times (albeit unsuccessfully so far).

As long as this is not a commercial activity, but are just personal offerings or requests by flautists, I do not see the damage or the problem this could cause. All the contrary, they could be helpful for the community.

Please consider that older members here have built a reputation and in general one can trust them more than unknown people in Facebook or similar sites you suggest.

In the past we have asked the site Admin to open a forum specifically for items trading, but this never happened.

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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    12:36 on Thursday, February 16, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

travel2165
(260 points)

Of course there is no "rule." But users expect discussions of flute topics and not flute advertisements.

The fact that a brand new member came to this forum and immediately disclosed the fact that she was a reseller and then posted about a flute for sale... Well, excuse me, but that's outside what users have come to expect on these threads.

Forum users can achieve "guidelines" by consensus and not by explicit "rules" posted by the moderators. As you correctly say, these issues have been dealt with in the past by consensus behavior.

Speaking of moderators -- I still wonder where this forum's moderator is. Users have been receiving insulting private messages, and public posts have reached a new low in childishness and insult.

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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    13:12 on Thursday, February 16, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

jose_luis
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As far as I know, there are no moderators, at least in this particular Forum. There is a site Administrator and one can report an abusive post to him. Just that.
After many, many problems with trolling a voting system was installed. With enough negative votes, the forum members can hide a post from the list. But (in my opinion) it does not work perfectly well. I cannot vote at all, for example, I get a system error whenever I try.




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Re: For Quick Sale: Yamaha 584 with some cosmetic defects    13:43 on Thursday, February 16, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

travel2165
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Yes, that's what I meant: administrator, not moderator.

The "voting" system has not worked for a long time now. It has been disabled. Who knows why? I have reported it to the administrator with no response.

   

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