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Is a Fox model II a Fox model II?

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Is a Fox model II a Fox model II?    12:16 on Monday, July 09, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

khsron
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Fox has the reputation of figuring out how to make bassoons with great intonation. But does the vintage of the instrument matter? If a model II from 2010 has excellent intonation, does one from 2000, or one from 1980, or one from 1960? And even if a bassoon started out with great intonation, might that change as the wood ages? In short, should a buyer consider an older instrument based on Fox's current reputation? Thanks.

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Re: Is a Fox model II a Fox model II?    02:51 on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

contra448
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Fox bassoons have been improved over the years & the quality of materials & build are excellent. From my experience anything from the last 25 years should be fine. This of course depends on how it has been treated since it left the factory!

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Re: Is a Fox model II a Fox model II?    12:57 on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

khsron
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contra448, thanks for your very useful reply. My subject referred to the Fox model II because I had recently seen some "experienced" model II's offered for sale at prices far below the cost of a new one. My interest extends generally to Foxes, and your reply does too.

Now here is an open-ended question for anyone with the time and inclination to reply. I am retired on a fixed income and playing in a community band, which has about 8 concerts a year, of which about half are outdoors. I am using a Selmer 132 that I bought new many years ago, when I was laboring under the misapprehension that the Selmer reputation for "super-excellence" applied to all instruments sold under their brand. I might be able to upgrade, and here are some of the things that I am thinking. In view of our outdoor schedule I am leaning toward plastic. Some people who have posted on this and other forums would not consider any American brand other than Fox. I recently read that American armed services bands play Fox model IV's for their outdoor concerts (which I take as a testament to their quality). New Fox bassoons are expensive, even the plastic ones.

As you can see, I am in a far different boat from a music student that is looking for an appropriate instrument. I'm looking for something that is good enough for hobby use.

Would anyone care to share any information/opinions/prejudices about the following: wood versus plastic; Fox versus another brand; one model versus another; new versus old in terms of price vis-a-vis acceptable quality; how old?

Thanks a lot.

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Re: Is a Fox model II a Fox model II?    14:56 on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

contra448
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The Fox plastic basoons, unlike most plastic instruments, are finished with the same care as the wooden ones in the equivalent ranges. A used VI, or better a III, sounds like an excellent choice for you provided it is'nt too old & been unduely absued. The intonation, sound & buils quality are much much better than the Selmer USA ones. If you can source one & fit it with a pro u-tube & the new R type bocals the results will be even better.
Ove the years I have sat next to two players, one professionally trained with a III or VI, the other with a battered 41, & you would never know from the sound they were plastic.
Good luck.

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Re: Is a Fox model II a Fox model II?    18:39 on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

khsron
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Thanks a lot. I feel like a much better educated consumer now.


   

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