Which brand is best ??

    
Which brand is best ??    18:21 on Monday, January 12, 2004          
(Bobert)
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Mr. Emerson`s concerns are well meant, but for the most part, unfounded. By stripping the lacquer mechanically (with sandpaper, or a buffing wheel) you will inevitable remove some metal. The amount that is removed, however is such a small amount that it is of no consequence whatsoever. It would take a great deal of time to remove enough metal from a bell using 600 grit sandpaper to make a noticeable or measureable difference in any of the metal`s thickness. Additionally, would you rather have the tenth millimetre thickness of hard, non-resonant plastic coating your horn, or remove that 1/100,000 if a millimetre of brass along with that tenth millimetre of plastic? And to the statement that polishing a horn`s tarnish removes more metal, let me point out that silver horns need to be polished too. The polishing process (with a non-abrasive liquid polish) does not remove metal. Copper (and subsequently brass) are porous metal, in that they have microscopic holes that can absorb small particles of dirt, water, etc and thus leave the horn with a brownish patina. The corrosion that happens when metal is changed in a chemical reaction (where there are green crystalline deposits, or red rot) does remove metal. This can be prevented by keeping the horn clean, and should not be a concern in a well maintained horn. Finally, when the lacquer of an instrument flakes off itself, it leaves the raw brass beneath it exposed to air and dirt, but with no way to clean it because the holes are small and most polish can not be used on lacquered surfaces. These small holes also prevent the ability to wipe the surface clean of acid from the player`s body. You`ll find that if you strip the gooseneck area of an older trombone with a bit of lacquer wear, that there will be deep pitting from the green copper oxide formations that were not cleanable. The tromobne can be kept clean if the whole surface is smooth without an outer coating that can peel or flake off. So the only real concern with raw brass is the health issues such as brass poisoning, and the slightly higher maintainance (though for people who keep their instruments well taken care of, it should not really be any different or harder than what they usually do). I believe the increase in sound quality and visual appearance more than make up for these. But if you want to continue playing a non-resonant, shrink wrapped horn, by all means go right ahead.


silver questions    21:19 on Tuesday, January 13, 2004          
(Chris)
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I am a junior in HS, and currenty own a Bach 42b, which I consider a very stuffy and slow responding instrument (never will I buy on eBay again!). My band teacher is trying to push me in the direction of bass trombone, and I have tried a both a Holton 181 and a Getzen 1052. I`m leaning towards the Getzen at this point, but this whole lacquer argument has got me thinking. I don`t really want to buy a brand new instrument and strip the lacquer off of it, so I was wondering about silver. Problem is, I can`t recall ever seeing a silver-plated bass trombone. Is silver too bright for a true bass trombone sound, and even then is it worth it to get Music 123 to custom order the horn from Getzen?


silver bass bone    22:23 on Tuesday, January 13, 2004          
(Bobert)
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If you don`t want to get a new horn and strip the lacquer off, you should probably look into getting the silver horn. Getzen lists a bright silver plate as an option for it`s bass trombones, so there should not be too much difficulty getting one. Another option would be to get the lacquered horn and play it and then strip it after it is a few years old and has a little wear and isn`t quite a brand new horn. In this case, you would still be left with a lacquered horn for the next couple of years. A final option is to buy a somewhat used horn of the model you want, and strip the lacquer off of that. If you can test play a few of them, and you find one you like, that would be a good choice. You would also save a bit of money, and that is never a problem. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.


Re: Which brand is best ??    16:45 on Thursday, January 22, 2004          
(WAIS Band)
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Be wary of the Conn CL 2000 valve! I have had nothing but trouble with mine since I bought it. The horn itself plays well, but the valve sticks no matter how well I maintain it.


horns    18:46 on Thursday, January 22, 2004          
(Todd)
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I just picked up a 1971 Bach Mercedes intermediate without lacquer. It was badly tarnished, but I shined up the brass and man it really sings. I don`t know much about the mercedes model. It`s no pro horn, .500 bore, but I love the richer sound. I`m considering a Blessing B-7, clone of the discontinued Conn 78H with a .525 bore. A much deeper sound than my dual bore .490/.510 jazz horn.
Any input on any of these would be appreciated.



getzen bass bone    04:02 on Sunday, January 25, 2004          
(alex)
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i recently played for a season on a getzen bass tbone in a jazz, and i really enjoyed the sound. it had a rich deep tone, while staying clear and resounding. id recommend it just from my experiance, but id also check around too before making any purchases, cause you never know until you try if you are going to like something. also, i was having some problems with the valve, the standard one, no thayer. also, to join in the discussion with my favorite horn, id have to go with Conn 88HT-CL. im loving that thing. anyways, peace out
alex
p.s. i like the look and feel of taking off the lacquer, but im definitely cautious about that whole things for reasons already mentioned i.e. wear and tear.


Lacquer Debate    05:15 on Saturday, January 31, 2004          
(Dave)
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I have to agree that the lacquer debate is endless. There are so many variables to creating different sounds on any instrument that the answer lies in what the individual likes or is trying to do. It is akin to the brasswind mouthpiece debate or what reed players discuss when modifying the plate on their mouthpiece. Many players have more than one horn to create different sounds depending on what they are playing. Jazz and lead players prefer a brighter sound sometimes and symphony musicians will often experiment with darker and more rich sounds. I also think that unless you are playing solo or lead some of these subtle changes get a little lost when mixed with the other horns in the section. As for horn brands I am a Getzen fan myself - I like the slide action better than some of my other horns, but I have always felt that it was more on the player than on the horn to get the sound out. My old Cleveland student horn from 3rd grade got me to first chair in Jr High because I practiced more then the other players and I wanted it more than they did. But, by the time I was in Marching Band in Highschool I was just another sound on the field - it was all about how much you could project into a football stadium and how much racket you could make at a touchdown. I play New Orleans style jazz now and I like getting in touch with improvisation and the ability to really work with the instrument and sounds. I switch between bass and tenor trombone and have a Paraduba mouthpiece and a Bach mouthpiece for the tenor. I use a mouthpiece extension on the Bass horn to occassionally use my tenor mouthpieces with it. These combinations allow me to really move the sounds around which is more entertaining to me and to the audience. I also have a Soprano trombone that I bought as a kind of toy but I discovered that it has such a unique sound and really entertains because few people have the chance to see or hear one. There are some numbers where I play all three horns. If I had to decide if lacquer or no lacquer would change my variables enough to make a difference I would probably spend the time and resources on another mouthpiece, horn, or a few more mutes. Best wishes and good playing ... Dave


Re: Which brand is best    20:21 on Thursday, February 5, 2004          
(usmcbandman)
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Mr. Greene,

Who the hell are you?


Hi    18:31 on Saturday, February 14, 2004          
(Adam)
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I am in 7th grade and i tried out many different models of trombones. I tried out bach 42bo`s conn`s getzen`s yamahas and many others. I ended up buying a Conn88hto bcuz it had a great sound and a very good response. It takes aa little more air to project as much as say a 42bo but it is a very nice trombone.


Buyin a new t-bone    18:33 on Saturday, February 14, 2004          
(Adam)
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hi


Conn 88H    07:43 on Sunday, February 15, 2004          
(Todd)
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I agree with Adam. I`ve been playing different horns for 24 years. Just bought a Conn 88H-CL this past week. It`s very nice. Great sound and easy to play.


Good    13:39 on Sunday, February 15, 2004          
(Adam)
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yes they are very nice horns


Re: Which brand is best ??    16:08 on Thursday, February 26, 2004          
(SWEDISHGUY)
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i got a king and it works fine for me.
trombones to the people!


Re: Which brand is best ??    10:28 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004          
(jasmine)
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KING is the best


Re: Which brand is best ??    19:15 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004          
(Stephen)
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CONN IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!


   








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