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need some help    14:59 on Friday, February 16, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

cyrion
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I've been playing the piano for a while now, but i still have problems playing one rythm on one hand, and an other rythm on the other hand.

if you guys have any tips, tricks, or ways that i can practice it... it is all welcome

Thanks in advance..


Cyrion

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Re: need some help    15:46 on Friday, February 16, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

pav13
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Don't try and think of your hands as hands, it helps me to think right hand and left hand.

I'm sure it's just that your left hand hasn't had as much practice at playing melodies.

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Re: need some help    16:02 on Friday, February 16, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

cyrion
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well, i spend alot of time practicing both left and right hand. but even tho i can play both hands perfect apart from each other, i cant combine them because of the different rythms (i only have this problem in fast songs)

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Re: need some help    00:42 on Saturday, February 17, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Ricky
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What you are saying is probably the hardest thing about playing piano. It is difficult and I have trouble with hand independence also. What I have read though, which would probably work well, is to practice each hand's part individually until you get each hand's part up to a good tempo. Then, you combine both hands' parts VERY SLOWLY at first and build your tempo up. That seems to make sense.
Also when you're away from your piano you can "work" on it, try tapping out a rhythm on your LH and a different one on your right, etc....like three taps with your LH and 2 with your in an "imaginary" measure...


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Re: need some help    02:24 on Saturday, February 17, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

cyrion
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ok, i will try these things.. Thanks alot for the tips

if anyone else has other tips, they're welcome too

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Re: need some help    15:38 on Monday, February 19, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

remnantpark
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The obvious reason: coordination
Another secondary reason: Lack of assurance in the rhythm

Mainly, the problem seems to be coordination and maybe lack of confidence and readiness. That's fine. Keep playing each hand separately and play double the time with the non-dominant hand. Use a metronome and start out slow with each hand. Then as you get more comfortable, keep jacking up the tempo by at least 1 or 2 notches until you get into full speed with both hands separately. Also, without using a metronome, play each note in the different part slowly. But that doesn't mean lazy fingers. This is harder than you think. You must also have a fast action with quick power and agility. Think attack and power but at the same time Steady Pace. When you build a lot of confidence in both hands, then put them together SLOWLY. Yes I said SLOWLY with obviously fast action and power. If you really have a hard time. Play one line a day and continue practicing sepparately. It'll naturally come someday.

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Re: need some help    16:26 on Monday, February 19, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

Jeruzalem
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I know this goes in to all the stuff about practicing both hands seperately I've read, but I actually find it easier to do the two hands at the same time. If you do them seperately, it's much harder to put them together later on. I just play both hands and see how they work together. For example, if the right hand is playing 8th notes all the time, it's easy to play 4ths with the left hand, just by knowing when the left hand should "join in".
If that makes sense...

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Re: need some help    17:11 on Monday, February 19, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

remnantpark
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Yeah, I understand your point.
But the main reason why I suggested doing it separately is simply to catch all the notes and correct rhythm to build up the confidence and assurance.
Therefore, if you put it together you'll at least play with the correct rhythm because if you just simply put both hands together without being completely sure of both hand's rhythm, you might accidently use the wrong rhythm or put it together the wrong way.
But then again. Different people learn differently.

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Re: need some help    00:31 on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

quiescen
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Hello Cyrion,

I wrote an article about hand independance recently. Here it is:

"I'm losing the left-hand," cried one piano student. "Every time I try to add in my right hand, the left stops" exclaims another.

These are common complaints for students who wish to learn hand independence. And for most, this is a big problem. They want to play the piano with both hands playing different parts. But the main reason most piano students have problems with this is because they try to play too fast!

Hand independence is one area that takes some time (not too much time) but some time to achieve. And this too depends on how complicated the hands tasks are.

START OUT GOING SLOW!

For example, in the lesson "Winter Scene" we have a left hand ostinato pattern going while the right hand improvises a melody. This lesson uses just 2 chords in closed position. By giving you only 2 chords, I conveniently limit the left hand's ability to go all over the place.

You start out by going slow and easy until the left hand is so automatic that you can play the pattern while talking to someone. In fact, you should be able to keep the left hand going while doing anything else. That's how automatic it can become with a little practice. Then you add in the right hand to improvise a melody.

But here is where most students mess up. Why? Because they try to play something too complicated or sophisticated in the right hand. Here's the answer - go as slow as you need too to maintain the left hand! There's no need to rush. If all you can play is one note, then play that note. This isn't to say that you shouldn't play around with the possibilities and experiment with your right hand. It is to say that if you're a speed demon here, you're defeating your own purpose.

When a simple ostinato pattern becomes second nature, you can get more sophisticated in the left hand. For instance, in lesson 60 "Sea Caves," we use over an octave in the left hand while the right plays sixth notes and single note runs.

Hand independence is something you can achieve - but you must have patience. Slow and steady wins the race here


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Re: need some help    00:51 on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

geoffw
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Another thing to try is (while going slowly, again) playing one hand and adding the other hand a note at a time. Cycle over just maybe a measure at a time and learn how the hands "fit" at that section, and adding the offhand notes one at a time gives you less to learn all at once while getting used to the pattern.

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Re: need some help    07:34 on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

cyrion
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Thanks

thx alot for all the tips guys, its is getting a bit better already

you all have been a great help to me..




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Re: need some help    17:48 on Monday, February 26, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

airasae_star
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Learn both parts separately. Then, practice only one hand then only the other hand until you have it all down. At this point, start to combine them slowly, then gradually increase in speed.

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Re: need some help    17:49 on Monday, February 26, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

airasae_star
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Oh, I'm too late and I've basically summarized everyone else. . .sorry!

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Re: need some help    12:50 on Friday, March 02, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

susie1974
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When you're playing a new song I find it really helps to write the timing in...
one and two and three and....
or
one a and a two a and a three a and a.. (if it's a faster song)
Then play slowly as others have mentioned.
When you write your timing in make sure your numbers correspond with the notes, then as you count you'll know "this" note is played with "that number" and you're not thinking about left and right so much...


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Re: need some help    10:35 on Thursday, March 08, 2007 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes

flauta
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some publishers line up the rhythms exactly where they should fall in relation to the other hand so you can get an idea of which notes come when in relation to other notes. see if your music is precisely lined up like that and it will be easier to figure out how its all supposed to sound together. try thinking of it as one line of music instead of two, really paying attention to how the parts fit with each other on the page...this way you wont have to work your brain into mush trying to think of two completely different things at one time.
this also helps if you jsut dont know how a rhythm is supposed to sound in an intricate piece. you can sit down and say okay...this note comes first and then right after it this note in the other hand

im sorry this is much easier to explain in person ahah

   





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