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Need help!    17:31 on Friday, March 27, 2009          

TheoryQ
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Posted by TheoryQ

Very new to theory and was just curious as to if a piece can be in a 9/4 time signature with a tempo marking of appassionato. And if two notes were represented in one bar in a 9/4 time signature, what values would they have to be? Thx everyone!

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Re: Need help!    19:49 on Friday, March 27, 2009          

Edski
(80 points)
Posted by Edski

Well, basically you can use any time signature with any tempo, so if that's the tempo and the meter, you're OK.

To split a measure of 9/4 into two notes each would have to have 4 1/2 beats. You could score that as a whole note tied to an eigth, and then the next as an 8th tied to another whole note. The two eigth notes can be joined with a beam...that seems to be the most logical way to write that rhythm out.

Hope this helps!


Re: Need help!    11:39 on Saturday, March 28, 2009          

JOhnlovemusic
(1279 points)
Posted by JOhnlovemusic

Edski has a good idea. However I would not bar the 8th notes together. The bar would indicate a relationship between the 8th notes and you want the 8th notes to have a relationship with the whole notes. So, I would suggest spliting the measure up similar to what Edski says however, whole-note tied to an 8th, followed by a whole-note tied to an 8th. (if you have an 8th note tied to a whole note you run a higher risk of misinterpretations from performers).

If I were writing or transcribing it I would make a little note showing a dotted quarter note equaling a regular quarter note and change your meter to 3/2. Then to go back to your feel of three change your meter back to 9/8 and have the quarter note equal a dotted quarter.


Re: Need help!    11:54 on Sunday, March 29, 2009          

Edski
(80 points)
Posted by Edski

All good ideas! There are really no constraints aside from your imagination!


Re: Need help!    17:12 on Monday, March 30, 2009          

Edski
(80 points)
Posted by Edski

I was thinking a little about this and it reminded me about a discussion I had with some Lilypond programmers about "5/9" time. It prompted me to actually write a simple piece in that admittedly strange time signature and my conclusion was that it could have been done just as effectively using tuplets and tempo changes. (It was wild that Lilypond understood and created manuscript and midi files for that type of work very easily).

So certainly "semantic" time changes (i.e notating the 9/4 as 3/2 with an equivalence tempo making) are less extreme than altering the tempo within measure or saying that you have a measure that is slightly slower than the preceeding an following and having the entire measure be 7 eigth note septuplets...we tend to "feel" those rhythms more than deduce them like something simple comprised of some eigth notes and sixteenth notes will a bit of syncopation.

Just for filing under "you can do anything you want!"

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