Hi; I've just recently come to these forums when I started on my hunt for a new Flute, and happened to stumbe across it while I was trying to find some reviews for Pearl Flutes.
I've managed to narrow it down between a PF-795RBE Elegante Series and a PF-765RBE-CODA Quantz Coda Series.
Any input comparing the two would be much appreciated!
No there is not much differnce between the two, they both suck. lol!! JK!!
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In all seriousness, we do have some people that play on Pearls that may know. I am not to familiar with Pearl models. I am no help because I would tell you to get a Powell.
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I am so sorry for writing that, it was really rude even if I was only joking. I really didn't mean it at all. I am just lacking a lot of sleep and talking on the phone and writing on the forum at the same time. Not really thinking.
The 795 Elegante and is available with special options in the coda variety. They are the same flute, but the coda version includes a Solid 10K lip plate, C# trill key, and D# roller. Other than that, both are semi handmade. They are made in Taiwan and the Japanese managers there do the hand finishing for these instruments.
The headjoint is the Forza cut which is not quite the hand cut Forte from Japan but better than the stock headjoint on the Quantz series. The keywork on the Elegante is upgraded from the quantz series. Elegante is one step away from the the pro handmade instruments from Japan.
Joe, I think you might have misread the post. They are not asking the difference between the Elegante and the Elegante CODA, they are asking the difference between the Elegante (PF-795) and the Quantz CODA (PF-765).
I haven't had the opportunity to play the Elegante, but I know that one big difference is the price!
I own a 765 Quantz CODA and can highly recommend it as a step-up flute.
Here's the difference:
(and NO, the fact that SOME PEOPLE *cough-cough* think they both suck is not the similar difference lol)
The 765 is from the Quantz series of Pearl's line and the 795 is from the Elegante series. The Quantz series features the 665 and 765 models which are quite competitive (in my understanding/viewpoint) with the Dolce model 695 and Elegante model 795.
A NOTICEABLE difference between the 765 and 795 is the price to say the LEAST! The 665 and 695 both feature sterling silver headjoints ONLY whereas the 765 and 795 both feature the addition of sterling silver bodies and footjoints.
I had a 665RBE Coda a few years back and HATED it. The standard headjoints on the 665 series (PH-610J) are POORLY cut. The reason I know this is due to the fact that I had my 665's lip plate engraved and was shipped another 610J headjoint as a substitute for when the engraving was completed. When I had both headjoints in front of me, I noticed that, although the same EXACT model, etc. (both with solid 10kt gold lip plates), one had a more oval-shaped embouchure/blow hole and the other was more square. I have pictures somewhere of the comparison.
I do NOT recommend the Quantz series vs the Dolce/Elegante line to anyone unless it's all you can afford at the time (the sterling headjoints w/ gold lip plates sell for about $500 on eBay alone).
The Dolce/Elegante has a more professional headjoint included with the flute (if you're lucky you can find a PH-7 with your Dolce/Elegante instead of a Forte). Forte headjoints have a shorter side where the air stream hits (a.k.a. the strike edge) however the PH-7 is much easier to play and my favorite headjoint. After my HUGE disappointment in the 665RBE Coda, I resold the flute and vowed to never spend less than $5k on a Pearl flute again-- UNTIL I found a Dolce at Phil Unger's (link to same flute: http://www.flutes4sale.com/18499Pearl/18499Pearl.html ). This Dolce in particular was the first one I'd seen in person and, in comparison to the 665 I had, is of MUCH higher quality ALL around.
The 665/765 flutes have hollowed out C key touchpieces (left hand index finger) which I, personally, consider to not be a good thing as it's found on student model flutes of all makes. The 695/795 features a solid C key touchpiece. The 665/765 has the (what I find to be irritating) adjustment screw slotted areas which I feel makes the adjustment screw area weak and prone to over-expanding whereas the 695/795 has a solid piece of metal there (no slotted areas). All of the aforementioned flutes (665/765 + 695/795) feature french-pointed silverplated keys, option of offset/inline G (and split E), C or B footjoint, and additional key options. The CODA is an additional option with all 4 mentioned models which features the addition of the following: solid 10kt gold lip plate, C# trill, and D# roller. The CODA option is available on the Quantz and Dolce/Elegante series.
Suzie, the Pearl company really should hire you! Great post!
I bought a 665 as a backup flute just to play around with a couple of years ago and I did not like it much at all. I agree the headjoint on those models are terrible! Now the key action and scale was nice, but it was jut thin sounding to me. I just could never get used or comfortable with the key lay out on the Pearls because of my short fingers and small hands. I have only tried their top of the line handmade silver and gold one besides the 665, so the Pearl flutes I am not educated in as far as models go. They are a bit confusing to me with the many names I suppose. So if anyone needs to know about Pearl models I know who to refer them to.
Suzie, were you able to go to Phil's shop? I have always wanted to meet him in person. He is one of the coolest people I know. I was teasing him the last time I spoke with him on the phone about him not playing the flute. He asked me where I heard that and I told him from Suzie. He remembered you. I am going to buy my next piccolo through him. I get most of my flute stuff through him anyway.
Sorry, I didn't see the 6. I thought you were simply comparing an elegante to its coda version.
Let me correct some of Suzie's post because it is based on some old information that is no longer current.
The issue with the headjoints is something I am working on. It is not the cut that is bad but other reasons which I can't go into here. This is on the 765 and below models. It is a standard cut, nothing fancy. There is a second cut available which someone probably didn't tell you. They stopped shipping it to America because people didn't like it. That's probably why you saw 2 different headjoint cuts. Not inconsistentcy, just 2 different cuts!
These lip plates do not come engraved and never did. If there was a bad one coming off after engraving, then that was something of consequence with the engraver I suspect. since it needed to be engraved by an outside source.
There are also a couple of varieties of headjoints still currently available. These are available as parts as original equipment for the flutes they were shipped with. There are a couple different models and it depends on your model and serial #.
The other error is that Dolce and Elegante do NOT come with a Forte Headjoint. They come with a Forza headjoint. The Forte headjoints are hand made and hand cut by 1 person and are only on the pro handmade instruments from Japan. A Forte Headjoint will NOT fit on dolce or elegante without resizing the tenon quite a lot. Meaning you can't even begin to get it in the barrel as shipped.
Dolce and Elegante Flutes are no longer made in Japan. They are semi Handmade...Finished by the Japanese Managers at the Taiwan Factory. This has brought the price down as well. A regular non coda dolce model carries an Internet MAP price of only $1495. That's a lot of flute, semi handmade for the money. An Elegante CODA model internet MAP is $2599. That's the range in pricing of semi handmade Pearl Flutes. 4 models total, 2 of them in CODA configurations. They come with a Forza (not Forte) headjoint, wood case and cover, the upgraded keywork and aresemi handmade.
So please remember that whatever you may have known about pearl flutes is changing...and for the better. Next year is our 40th anniversary year and there will be some special models available for that purpose.
And if you ever want to provide input on product, you can always send that to me. I am the one responsible for product input.
Oops! Sorry for typing 'Forte' instead of 'Forza'! I knew it was 'For-'something and, for whatever reason, 'Forte' came to mind! My question to you, Joe, is why would they put two different headjoint cuts (well, lip plate/embouchure cuts) on the same exact model of headjoint? To me that does not make sense unless it's to merely cut down costs or something like that, etc. With Dolce and Elegante no longer being manufactured in Japan (as you indicated), does that refer to ALL of the Dolce and Elegante flutes or just the flutes currently being produced? I think that is all I can think of to ask for now. Thanks!
My question to you, Joe, is why would they put two different headjoint cuts (well, lip plate/embouchure cuts) on the same exact model of headjoint?
Well the only reason I can think of is that they used to be made in Japan and that factory uses a pro flute approach. That being that you have different headjoints and cuts to tailor what you want for your flute. After moving them to taiwan production that was no longer possible since there is no one to handcut the headjoints there.
There are a few cuts that Pearl makes. The more square shaped Forte headjoint is one for the more powerful responsive type of playing. The other is the more oval "french" style (Japan version is the Vivo cut).
Dolce and Elegante have the Forza version and the Largo version. The Largo is practically non existent although it is available by special order for those who want to put it on these models. In effect they are still trying to mirror the Japanese versions for the Dolce and Elegante models.
Hope that answers some of the mysterious questions..
These are the two models of flute that I have been using! I don't think they suck. In my opinion, these are some of the best instruments on the market.
They don't "suck".
I guess I never updated everyone but I have gotten really good on the flute. I started playing a couple months ago and I have progressed incredibly fast. This might be in part due to the quality of the two flutes that I got.
Hope you all are doing well. I've been away for a few days.
Yep.. that is right. Go ahead and try making personal attacks again yourself. The gemstone thing is rather old and is pointless. It doesn't bother me one bit, go ahead and make fun of them all you want as I know you are only trying to stir up trouble once again, so I don't take it personally. Your goal and games don't work on me.
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