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theflutist94
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I have a (Vito) Yamaha 32 piccolo, and recently got a vintage Roy Seaman headjoint to upgrade it! But my problem is that the wooden headjoint won't fit in the piccolo case I have now because it's longer and fatter than the metal headjoint I originally used.
Anyone know any piccolo cases I could use (that are reasonably priced) which would fit my piccolo?
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musicman_944
(131 points)
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You might check with a Yamaha dealer to see if they can get you a case for a YPC-62. The YPC-62 has a wood head so it might work if the Seaman head is not any bigger than than the Yamaha.
The part number should be: YAC PCC-62 (Sorry - don't know the price...)
Flute World has a Pro Picc case ($143.95):
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leighthesim
(467 points)
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I'd imagine that it would be slot of work to modify that case as you would have to recover the inside, but if you were to buy some more velure or velvet and some contact adessive as well as the case t is doable but you would probally want to nobly move thenblock rather then take it out completely as if you take it out you are sacrificing some of the protection
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suzie
(569 points)
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There's someone on eBay selling Venus-brand instruments (also flutes with hexagon-shaped flute keys). They sell piccolo cases that accommodate the bubble-shaped headjoints from the Yamaha style piccolos. Their piccolo cases usually are about $20-30, I believe, and holds both the metal AND plastic/wooden headjoint and has a carrying strap as well. I think their eBay name is something like music/musical wheel/musicalwheel - something like that. I think that's the best bet as their cases are more ProTec-styled whereas the one from the eBay link would have that funky glue smell from the glues used in China, etc. to produce those cheapy cases!
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fluteypiccolosax
(79 points)
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Maybe they ran out or something? If I were to get one of the piccolo cases made for the YPC-32, would my wooden headjoint fit in it? (I currently have the box-style black case with latches that Vito piccs come with)
i would assume so.
my yamaha ypc-62 fits in the generic yamaha replacement case i ordered from yamaha.
the case my piccolo was shipped in was broken.
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fluteypiccolosax
(79 points)
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"Maybe they ran out or something? If I were to get one of the piccolo cases made for the YPC-32, would my wooden headjoint fit in it? (I currently have the box-style black case with latches that Vito piccs come with)"
that was supposed to be quoted.
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suzie
(569 points)
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Email musicalwheel and ask. If nothing else maybe they can recommend someone/somewhere else to order one from OR at LEAST tell you when they are expecting more in. Doesn't hurt to try.
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Tibbiecow
(407 points)
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I'm surprised that the Seaman HJ fits on the Vito body.
My Zentner (same instrument as the Seaman, made in the same factory) HJ did not fit on my Yamaha 62. It was too far off even to be fitted with different cork. (A Burkart HJ did fit my Zentner, though it had to be re-corked b/c the HJ was too loose otherwise. Burkart was also way off from fitting the Yamaha 62.)
I'm going to guess that the Vito might be a copy of, rather than an exact match of, the Yamaha 32.
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Tibbiecow
(407 points)
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Oh, and your statement, "It's longer and fatter than the original headjoint" makes me suspicious that your upgrade headjoint is going to screw up the tuning on your Vito picc.
If the length from hj cork to where the body 'joins' (from an air-column point of view) is significantly different between piccolo hjs, you are altering the tuning on the instrument. This is going to have an effect similar to moving the hj cork. If it goes too far, you really mess with the scale of the instrument. It may be far enough off that you will be beyond the ability to pull out, or push in, the hj to tune the instrument.
IF the inside bore is enough different between the HJ and the instrument body, you will also create some interesting intonation problems with your new HJ.
I would measure the two hjs, as well as playing both against a tuner. You might be ok, but I suspect that you are going to 'finger and blow' something on the picc with your new hj that registers on the tuner as a completely different note than you are expecting- or at least be 40 or 50 cents sharp or flat.
Replacing the hj on a piccolo can be done, but unfortunately it is not as straightforward as replacing the hj on a flute. Eldred Spell makes custom piccolo hjs (or he used to) and he won't make them without your own picc body to start with, even if your instrument is something as common as a Yamaha 62 or a Gemeinhardt 4W.
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suzie
(569 points)
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I had a Vito piccolo (YPC-32 equivalant, the YPC-31 had a chunky G# key) that I sold with a wooden Zentner headjoint. The cork needed to be replaced on the tenon anyway and I gave the winning bidder the option of fitting the new cork to the Zentner OR the Vito - they chose the Vito. The Zentner headjoint played very well on the Vito/Yam with some tape on the tenon. As for a case that'd hold the wooden headjoint I'd REALLY suggest contacting musicalwheel directly and asking to contact their producer of the double-headed piccolo cases. Also, what you COULD do is get a flute case and put your piccolo in that... The fully-assembled piccolo would fit in the flute's body area (you could modify that) AND the extra headjoint would probably (don't quote me on this as I haven't checked) fit in the footjoint area. I had a flute & piccolo combo case a few years back that I fit 3 piccolos (2 C's and 1 Db) into without modifying - one assembled in the body area, one disassembled in the piccolo area and another disassembled in the flute's headjoint & footjoint area. That'd be the cheapest option and easiest to come by! Gemeinhardt's double-headed piccolo cases are basically flute cases with a different moulded insert in it for the 2 headjoints & picc body vs regular flute insert. Also you COULD take the bottom of a plastic case out (the plastic insert) and cut some foam out to fit your piccolo with the other headjoint so it'd be more custom form-fitting AND you could do whatever you want in regards to setup. Good luck!
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theflutist94
(105 points)
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The Seaman headjoint was a bit loose; but it's not too bad, I took my piccolo to the shop this week and they said it'd be an easy fix. I did test the headjoint before getting it fitted (used tape on the tenon) and I actually think my piccolo's intonation has improved! Much much better than tuning with the metal headjoint. The third octave's response was a bit iffy at first but I adjusted the headjoint cork a bit and it alleviated that problem. I do know that there's two sorts of Roy Seaman/Zentner headjoints; one with a more square embouchure hole and the other with a more oval hole? I have the one with a square hole, so maybe that effected my results?
The plastic piccolo cases on WWBW look great! But I'm not sure if they would fit a wooden (or should I say semi-wooden) piccolo?
I'll be sure to contact musicalwheel about the piccolo cases. The piccolo case I have now does fit the wooden headjoint [a bit tight though], but the A-flat key touches the top of the headjoint, which is probably a bad thing. And I didn't know Gemeinhardt made double headed piccolo cases? I'll be sure to look for one of those also.
Thanks so much everyone!
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