Bigger Tone

    
Bigger Tone    20:36 on Saturday, January 16, 2010          

OboeNightmare
(153 points)
Posted by OboeNightmare

Hey guys! How's stuff?

Okay, so here's the scoop. When I'm playing in general right now, I seem to be doing okay as far as playing with a good supported tone right? My teacher seems to think that I'm playing correctly, but, when I hear other pro flute players, it sounds like they have a much more open, strong sound going on.

Is there anything I can do to fill up my instrument more? Also, could it be the instrument itself?

Thanks.


Re: Bigger Tone    00:02 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

JOhnlovemusic
(1279 points)
Posted by JOhnlovemusic

Very good question.
You might be doing everything the same as a 'professional' but there is a tone that is developed from palying a certain amount of time each day. There is something about the embouchre that happens when you play EVERY DAY, over a long period of time. There is no way to replicate this other than playing multi hours everyday.



Re: Bigger Tone    01:57 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

Pyrioni
(437 points)
Posted by Pyrioni

four ways to make bigger tone:

- feed more air into the tube, or

- more force to hit the embouchure hole, or

- focus more and hit correctly the tone-producting point on the embouchure hole, or

- buy a headjoint with high riser to cheat


Re: Bigger Tone    02:10 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

Pyrioni
(437 points)
Posted by Pyrioni

Sometimes, pros seem to play a lot louder than us, especially the low notes, like Sir James Galway, his low notes are so loud 3 meters in front of us. You know what's their secret?

They told us they "Borrow" the overtones from upper octave!!!

Flute is stupid instrument!! flute sound is against natural sound! in nature, you hear low tones loud and high notes quiet, like human vocal and birds sing, dogs bark. Flute is opposite, so we must play high notes quiet and low notes loud to emulate nature sounds.

To do this, we must borrow the upper octave overtones! because human ears can perceive higher overtones well. To do this, either you give the flute more air like Sir Galway did, you give it more force like I did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4SAK3FikD8

<Added>

in video, mostly are low notes until the end, played with Yamaha 211 low riser, slow-responsive lip-plate, student flute


Re: Bigger Tone    06:31 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

Pyrioni
(437 points)
Posted by Pyrioni

see how loud Yamaha 211 student flute can be with the simple technique of stealing/borrowing the upper octave overtones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIdsBvZOKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rYFCIERHxY




Re: Bigger Tone    07:38 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

custard
(29 points)
Posted by custard

Which of your teachers taught yo that, pahud, galway, wye.
You like filming youself, is it so you can watch youself over and over again?


Re: Bigger Tone    18:14 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

binx
(183 points)
Posted by binx

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Edited by Forum Admin at 07:48 on Monday, January 18, 2010
Reason:
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Re: Bigger Tone    19:04 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

OboeNightmare
(153 points)
Posted by OboeNightmare

Okay, so does anybody else have any OTHER suggestions?


Re: Bigger Tone    19:11 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

Patrick
(1743 points)
Posted by Patrick

play with a relaxed embouchure so that the air flows freely, avoiding a tense, tight, pinched sound...a big tone is created by letting the flute vibrate naturally, thus creating a nice warm open tone...if you feel the tone in your lips when you play, you are achieving this


Re: Bigger Tone    19:58 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

emy47
(140 points)
Posted by emy47

I agree with patrick


Re: Bigger Tone    22:02 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

Pyrioni
(437 points)
Posted by Pyrioni

I agree with Patrick too. I didn't know what OboeNightmare meant by Bigger Tone, can a Tone be described as Big in English? I'm no good at English. I am still learning English and French as second and third language. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

I think becuz OboeNightmare is playing oboe now, so his embouchure (both lips) must be very tight, therefore his lips are pinched so is his tone when he/she plays flute, Patrick's relaxed embouchure is a very good and correct advice for him/her.

Some teachers of flute and oboe suggested my friends "don't play oboe if you play flute as well, becuz it will destroy your flute embouchure in a long run"


Re: Bigger Tone    06:54 on Monday, January 18, 2010          

OboeNightmare
(153 points)
Posted by OboeNightmare

Thanks guys! Will let you know how things go.


Re: Bigger Tone    19:09 on Tuesday, January 19, 2010          

flute_n_bassoon
(309 points)
Posted by flute_n_bassoon

Actually, I have found the opposite- oboe helped my flute embrochure. It makes you more aware of the little adjustments you need to make.


Re: Bigger Tone    19:27 on Tuesday, January 19, 2010          

Canadian
(903 points)
Posted by Canadian

I play both oboe and flute and both my embouchures are fine. I think playing english horn helped my flute embouchure as I wasn't playing relaxed enough. Now I can get a lot more air through my flute with less force.


Re: Bigger Tone    14:15 on Wednesday, January 20, 2010          

Pyface
(157 points)
Posted by Pyface

I like Patrick's idea! I tried it, because my tone was a bit whispy, and it improved no end!
Also, if you search on YouTube 'Flute masterclass galway tone' and there are a few masterclasses by Sir James Galway that really help! The one posted by Larry Krantz is good!


   




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