Stan Getz vs. Coltrane
 

Stan Getz vs. Coltrane

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Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    19:48 on Friday, January 24, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Silscio)
Hey, just wanted to see what everyone thought of these two jazz giants, your opinion.

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My Opinion:

Stan Getz was the best. Hi lyricism and melodic and rythmic senses outmatched anyone, his tone was by far the deepest, most beautiful, and well developed, his flawless ear(perfect pitch) and photographic memory for music aided his incredible abilities. He did get Bossa Nova on the road, but I think his straight ahead Jazz was his most thought-provoking and beautiful. He outdid his idol(Lester Young) and then some, and his tone differed extremely. Could play a ballad or storming song with equal beauty.

John Coltrane: Technical abilities like crazy. Large tone, and that`s an understatement. More like a wall of sound, as popularly stated. Ground breaking. But I personally find him deaf to beauty, melodic sentimentality, and emotion in music. His saxophone creates a web of impossible dexterity and lightning fast thought. But I don`t enjoy his music, it is just as if he were hammering on a wall. It`s loud, brash, and never-ceasing, a bombardment and assault of auditory sense.

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I`d like to know your thoughts.

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    15:03 on Thursday, February 06, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Nyroxia)
I feel the same way....I have heard a few coltrane licks i like, but it just hurts to listen. Getz and even desmond....they make it a gift to listen to.

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    20:35 on Wednesday, April 09, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(someguy)
First of all, you cannot compare the two, they don`t even play the same instrument, and they are also centered in different jazz styles. And a lack of beauty for Coltrane, have you not heard the first movement of A Love Supreme?

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    10:12 on Thursday, April 10, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Silscio)
Ummm...I don`t mean to be rude, but they DO play the same instrument, the tenor sax. Coltrane did do some experimentation on the soprano, but he was mostly centered in Tenor, and in those cases are the cases in which I compare them. And I have heard Coltrane play many ballads, and I still don`t believe they are beautiful, his tone lacks depth and emotion to me, except for perhaps a wailing yearning and furiousness(word?), but that`s about it.

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    10:14 on Thursday, April 10, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Silscio)
And look at my comparison. You are right, they are centered in different styles, and that`s what I was comparing as well, their use of different styles.

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    03:10 on Friday, June 13, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Jen)
both are awesome musicians, no doubt. Two very different types of players, but that`s whats great about sax; so versatile!

Now, for me, this epitomises the way coltrane played: during a recording with theolonius monk and coleman hawkinds, there came to a section where it was coltrane`s solo. However, the guy was so stoned he`d virtually passed out in the studio. There`s no solo... so monk yells out "trane!!!" and halfway through the solo coltrane suddenly just starts playing; and plays perfectly. GUy was playing right chords and everything; absolutely perfect. Now that is a jazz musician; i`m not promoting being a stoner (!!) but still, that was the pace he lived life, and that was how he played.

Getz was nothing like that; he style was completely different. Even coltrane thought so:

"Let`s face it, we`d all like to sound like that-- if we could."
-- John Coltraine

well, i guess that says it all.

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    11:30 on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Marvin)
Hey, grapes or apples. It`s all in your taste and what you like. I personally find coltrane and gets dated. Although I respect and admire both, I can only listen to it for so long before getting bored. Lets be honest here. Oh, worship the Beast baby. Who cares.
We as humans idolize way too much.
I love Jazz, don`t get me wrong.
I`ve listened to it my whole life. I`m just sick of people comparing, dissecting, criticizing. Be you! There will never be another Coltrane, ony a clone of him. Cloning is not bad, a good way to learn, but a great player will eventually go in his/her own direction. That`s how they get Great!

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    00:32 on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Nyroxia)
I look at it this way....

Coltrane mastered the SAXOPHONE but he was about as deep as tap water, but he was the best saxophone-technically speaking-player ever...


Getz, whom i prefer infinitely to Coltrane did not master the saxophone because there was no need, he was so deep and into the sound that he made music...

Coltrane in my opinion lacks the ear and beauty it takes to make music

The quote "we`d all sound like that if we could" now that`s the best argument you can ever use against a Coltrane supporter....yeah...Getz was everyone dream....no kidding, even Miles Davis idolized him by saying--among many things-- "He gets things out of a song that the rest of us can only dream of"

And that ladies and gentleman is the reason why we don`t debate subjective topics !

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    13:15 on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Tom)
Stan Getz all the way. The man was a genius. He could do all the fancy fingerwork that Coltrane did, and with better tone and intonation. A while back, I took a survey with some professionals like Michael Brecker, Eric Marienthal, Craig Durst, Steve Wilkerson, and people of those sorts. They commented, or Micheal did, that Stan Getz had the best intonation in tenor sax playing. I didn`t hear much of Coltrane.

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    13:16 on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Tom)
Also Paul Desmond and Scott Hamilton are high in my opinion, too.

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    11:38 on Thursday, July 10, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(joel dimitri)
have any of u ever played sax?

the most beutiful sound can not be questioned... they play diferent styles! I play sax and I believe there are many sax players around the world with the "Stan depth" but I know few with "Coltrane`s eyes for sax". As Leonardo da Vinci once said: "To we don`t pay is action but is vison instead!". In this fiel Coltrane is by far the very best.(in my opinion)

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    11:40 on Thursday, July 10, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(joel dimitri)
have any of u ever played sax?

the most beutiful sound can not be questioned... they play diferent styles! I play sax and I believe there are many sax players around the world with the "Stan depth" but I know few with "Coltrane`s eyes for sax". As Leonardo da Vinci once said: "To ARTISTS we don`t pay is action but is vison instead!". In this fiel Coltrane is by far the very best.(in my opinion)



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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    12:29 on Thursday, July 10, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Nyroxia)
I totally disgaree for the record. Stan Getz`s depth is unmatched...Coltrane can work through any chord but is about as deep as tap water.

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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    02:51 on Sunday, July 13, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(chris)
I think both players are swell but coltrane has a way more fulfilling sound and way more caple personality then stan getz cause I have heard coltrane play in many albums especially in all blues with miles davis and cannonball aldderly.I know this cause im a tenor sax player and he inspired me.what can i say im a fan of coltrane!



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Re: Stan Getz vs. Coltrane    13:33 on Monday, July 14, 2003 Vote for this post Vote against this post 0 votes
(Tom)
Stan Getz could work with any condition and any set of changes. Many pro musicians that played with Stan did comment about his style and all of the comments were positive.

Given, they are different in styles, and the peak of their careers are in different times. But this question was separating styles, and practically seeing which style is liked more.

   

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