According to the horn note trainer here the C# above the treble clef (requiring two leger lines) is correctly played with all three valves pushed in. Why couldn`t it be taken with just the first two valves or, for that matter, with just the middle valve?

I dont knoe if youre looking for an answer from a beginner like me, but since you can play different notes by changing your lips, a different fingering can make the same notes right? Also maybe some horns play a better C# with a fingering different than other ones, and the player might produce a different pitched note?

I actually don`t think thats right. I mean, on the FH you can play any note, with any fingering. Why would C# be any different?

Now wait a minute. You CANNOT play "any note with any fingering" on the horn. Each valve combination gives you a different harmonic series, and the harmonic series have certain pitches in common. The higher you go on the series, the closer adjacent harmonics are, and the more pitches common to the various series. The C# in question can be played as the 24th harmonic on the (written) F# series (all valves in play), as the 20th harmonic on the A series (first two valves in play), as the 18th harmonic on the B series (middle valve in play), and as the extremely flat 22nd harmonic on the G series (outer valves in play). It seems to me that either the A series or the B series should be preferred to the F# series.

Well I`m sure Rachel didn`t really mean "any note" just many notes with a fingering.

Whatever she meant, she clearly was not addressing the question.

Okay, well I thought you guys would ge my meaning. Many notes have the same fingering. For instance, I can play the low E on the staff with 1 and 2 or Open. Both work great, and I use both.

Now as for the question the person asked why the C# needed to be 1, 2, and 3. I simply stated that I did not know why, seeing as many fingerings can be "switched around", if you will.

But you make a good point-the higher you go, especially the C# above the treble staff, definently needs the correct fingering, which in this case must be 1,2, and 3.

Re: "Okay, well I thought you guys would ge my meaning. Many notes have the same fingering."

If that was "your meaning", "your meaning" was redundant and superfluous.

Re: "For instance, I can play the low E on the staff with 1 and 2 or Open. Both work great, and I use both."

The REASON both fingerings are possible is that this E is both the fifth harmonic of C and the sixth harmonic of A. There`s nothing the slightest bit arbitrary or mystical about it. The open fingering will normally be preferred.

Re: "Now as for the question the person asked why the C# needed to be 1, 2, and 3. I simply stated that I did not know why, seeing as many fingerings can be `switched around`, if you will."

"Switched around" was not new information. It was implicit--or actually EXPLICIT--in the question.

"But you make a good point-the higher you go, especially the C# above the treble staff, definently needs the correct fingering, which in this case must be 1,2, and 3."

The higher you go, the more fingerings are available, including some, yes, that require a fair bit of embouchure work to put in tune, but also including MORE that require no more embouchure work than your "low E on the staff". It seems to me this pitch should be fingered with valves 1 and 2.

By "this pitch" immediately above, I mean the high C#, not the low E. (The low E, as I said, should normally be played open.)

It varies partly from person to person, too, depending on embouchure. I have the best luck with 2nd valve.

Re: "It varies partly from person to person, too, depending on embouchure. I have the best luck with 2nd valve."

Quite a lot of timid people here. Everyone`s afraid to state plainly and unequivocally that the note trainer is simply wrong--everyone but the site programmers, that is: in the interum, the note trainer has been fixed; it no longer requires three valves for the high C#. Actually, it no longer even goes up to the high C#, which is not throwing out the baby with the bath water: the C# in question is beyond the horn`s recommended orchestral limit anyway.