i have a question on a koehler etude from book #2 (op. 33)


the etude thats on page 11 (i only have page 11 so im not sure what number it is) it says tempo 1. what speed is tempo 1 played at or the "abouts"?

thanks!

I don't know off the top of my head exactly where you're talking about (and I left the book back in California), but generally when you see "tempo 1" written in music, it means that you should go back to the original tempo of the piece. It will appear after some sort of shift in the music. So, however fast you are playing the opening is likely the tempo you should be using for this section.

...yay...
those studies...I had almost forgotten them, by the way I din't likethetenth one...to weird (up and down all the time )...

i know what tempo 1 means, im just not sure what tempo tempo 1 is. i have a copy of page 11 and it just says to tempo 1, but without having page 10 or whatever page it is that it starts on, i dont know what tempo to go back to. thats what im asking

Oh, okay. I misunderstood. Unfortunately, it may not be possible for any one to help you with that limitied information (especially without at least seeing the music). There are generally several different editions of standard etudes and repertoire pieces, and each is slightly different, so one version's page 11 could be another's page 15, or page 7, or whatever. It might be worth while to buy the etudes, as they will help your playing, and having the book should make it easier to puzzle out some of these things. Short of that, try asking flute players locally (let them see what you've got) if they recognize the passage, and about what tempo they would recommend for it.

i found out that its etude 7... but the problem here is that i cant buy the book. i have stated this many times on the sites that i have financial issues that restrict my spending habits. thats why i ask people online to send me music & why im using a school piccolo for everything from orchestra to solo & ensemble to honors band to music camp, etc. i had my direcotr obtain a copy of the page thats required for all-state honors band (pg. 11) from a school thats quite far away so i cant even check the book at school. thats why im asking. trust me. if i could afford to buy lunch at school, id be happy. man, im so poor i cant even afford to pay attention! haha. but its in 3/8 and it seems like it would be a moderato-ish tempo. i just dont want to show up at auditions and play it too slow or too fast, you know?

Hi,
I do have the Opus 33 (edited at the International music company, NY) and the seventh etude is actually one of the fastest ones of the book. If your page begins with the "tempo 1" part that's almost the end of the study, like the "conclusion" I would say. Lety me your e-mail if you want, I'll scan it end send it to you if you wish.Have a nice day.

Raph

yeah, thats not what im trying to accomplish here. let me explain:

i have an audition where im supposed to play etude #7 from the second tempo 1 to the end. I have the page that i need, and im pretty sure having the other page would be pointless. i just want to know what speed tempo 1 is played at (ie allegro, moderato, lento, 120, 100, 80, etc)

does this clear up some things?

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I finally got it...well the tempo primo is allegretto...!

Hi,
You can get this exercise in the Melodious and Progressive Studies Bk. 2. By Southern Music. The Koehler #7 in this book is in D major and is in 3/8 time with a M.M. of the eighth note =192. So tempo 1 is that tempo.

This is an increase in the tempo from Lo stesso tempo that was introduced in ms. 43. (No M.M. marking change written in there.)

192 would be the equivalent of 4 - 16th notes at 96 (Not all THAT fast really) or one measure to the click of 64.
The last 20 measures are marked at Vivace, moving the dotted quarter (or one click to the measure) at M.M. to 84.

...actually that's in F major and then in D major, it ends in F major again...you're edition is pretty weird, that's seriously faster than that...at least 92 and then you can work goin' faster until 120...

Raph,

We need to clarify something. I also have a version by C.F. Fischer where the Koehler op. 33 has 35 exercises in 3 sections.
#7 in that version of fifteen easy exercises starts out in 1 flat. D minor though and not F major. It is also marked allegretto and the time sig. is 2/4. It changes to D major in the middle and then back to the theme and key of the beginning at tempo 1 after a 2 ms allargando. -basically a form of a ritard. I really don't think that it's that one....

The version that I described in the M&P study book #2 from the 12 moderately difficult exercises of the same Op. 33 begins in D major(2 #s) goes to G major (1 #) and then back to D major and it is in the time sig. of 3/8 as IRequestHelp has stated. It's two pages long and not one as the easier exercise would be. His tempo one begins on the 2nd line of the 2nd page. this is the eighth=192. Then 4 lines from the bottom there is a stringendo (gradual speeding up)to Vivace where the dotted quarter=84.
If this is the wrong one or if it's weird...sorry

Ok !!! I didn't know Op.33 was composed of much more exercices than the fifteen easy ones, I thought (as I have some other flute exercices with different opus numbers from the same I thought that it corresponded to one work book) Anyway thanks, by the way what are your favourites etudes which made you improve the most ?

".....by the way what are your favourites etudes which made you improve the most?"


A nice reference link:
http://www.dornpub.com/ken/FlEtudes.html

Raph,

Right now, what I'm thinking is that rather than suggesting any favs, I would say get as many of them as possible from as many different composers as you can find and then read them all. I think that each composer can provide a different insight into different styles of playing. As an example, if you want to understand Bach a bit better, get those 24 Bach Studies from SMC. The Camus Six Grands Etudes are great for reading slurs and for phrasing. They also seem draw you forward to accellerando but on the other hand, they are marathon pieces. It can take 20 minutes to play one with the repeats if you don't stop much. Karg-Elert isn't anythng like Andersen. It's all over the place with meter and style. Boehm studies aren't as easy as they can look at first.

There are two ways to use the studies as far as I can suggest.
1) Study one etude for a period of time. Maybe two weeks or for a semester in college. Maybe play it 200 times or more and really work on it hard until you have it almost memorized -or better. This is good to focus on the details and maybe to develop a certain technical skill/muscle.

2) Or Read through books of them. Read #1 five times. Read #2 five times. Don't skip any. Go on to another book.
This can develop you sight reading a bit. I feel that a composer wrote an Etude with a concept that can be learned. Find that concept in each one.

At first, you may not be playing them up to anywhere near the metronome indications. Some are impossible to reach. The actual goal is fast but clean. Always clean and musical. Hit the tones well and keep the rhythm/technique clean. Use the metronome sparingly. You want to play musically and not like a machine. I have used the metronome to get something like the Andersen Op. 63 ones up to speed. (Mostly) ....You know the drill, set it slow... maybe at half speed or less, play it a bunch of times and then kick it up one notch and do again. Repeat, repeat and repeat.

Now, instead of speed, I'm working for more musicality. I may check my tempo with the metronome but I don't keep it running. I don't want a constant speed throughout. I want to emphasize the important points in the music with stress and dynamics. Slow down to end a phrase.

Some studies aren't intended to be melodies. The Daily ones for example. Get a bunch of those. The T&G daily as well as the Moyse books. The Barrerre
Flutist's Formulae is a very traditional example of this. I also happen to like the Moyse 480. I follow the plan somewhat. It covers many of the scales and arps. in different ways throughout the range. add the chromatic mechanism book and you have most of the necessities for daily studies.

For tone work, I have my own exercises. The Moyse, De la Sonoritie is good but one can't only do the one dreaded descending 1/2 step exercise. ONe needs to go through the book. Tone work can be done on any study, Andersen, Boehm or Koeheler included. I have my own favorite adagios and study things for that as well.

As you can guess...
Variety is going to be important in the long run.

Unfortunately, to learn the flute, it takes some money to buy music. It's the only legal way to do it. Oh, one could join the American NFA and borrow the music fro their source or some local univ. library.