suzuki flute

    
suzuki flute    13:22 on Monday, September 24, 2007          

Kasiek
(3 points)
Posted by Kasiek

Hi,
My kid (4th grade) can have flute instruction in her school. I can rent a used flute for a $100-$120 per year (I don't know what kind) or I found a new suzuki flute for $180 or Franklin flute for $270. I know nothing about flutes ( I just bearly play piano) and my budget is pretty tight, what do you think I should do? Thank you very much for your advice.


Re: suzuki flute    14:26 on Monday, September 24, 2007          

Flutist06
(1545 points)
Posted by Flutist06

Neither Suzuki nor Franklin brand instruments are among the ranks of well-respected, name brand instruments, and thus are pretty suspect. Recently there has been an influx of junker flutes onto the market, and these more than likely are among them. Such junkers are remarkably poorly designed and built, meaning that while they play they are far more difficult to work with than they should be, and they often fall apart (quite literally) in just a few months (maybe a year or slightly more if you're lucky). I would suggest renting a flute if those are your only two alternatives (assuming that the rental flute will be from a respectable company and in decent condition). However, used student flutes from companies like Gemeinhardt, Armstrong, and others can be had in the price range of the Suzuki/Franklin flutes you've been looking at, so you might ask around at local music stores, flute teachers, and band directors and see what you can scrounge up. As long as the flute has been maintained decently, a used flute should be just as good as a new one, but at a fraction of the price. There is also the option of eBay, but this is pretty risky if you don't know what you're buying as there are innumerable auctions for junkers, and there's no telling what condition an instrument might actually be in when you get it. Here is a (partial) list of companies putting out student flutes at an acceptable quality level:

Yamaha
Gemeinhardt
Jupiter
Emerson
Pearl
Trevor James
Armstrong

Any of these should serve your daughter just fine. If in doubt, do a google search for the company name....If a professional looking site comes up, odds are you're alright. If only vague references or stores selling the instrument come up, pass it up.


Re: suzuki flute    18:53 on Monday, September 24, 2007          

Plekto
(423 points)
Posted by Plekto

Just rent a Yamaha 300 series. Pretty much all your child will need until high school. The silver headjoint is a major plus.

Most music shops will rent you a 300 series for only a tiny bit more than a 200, but it's well worth the few extra dollars, IMO. It's a good and very common flute.

Oh, also see if there's a rent to own option, since 4-5 years at $150 a year would buy you the flute normally.

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http://www.winds101.com/
This also is a nice site, IMO. A good selection of used flutes for the beginning player.

http://www.winds101.com/intermediate.htm
The Emerson with the silver headjoint looks like a good deal to me at $475.

http://www.winds101.com/basic.htm
Or a basic Yamaha 200 series for $325 or so. At these prices, you can own in two years worth of renting, though renting for a few months at least might be a good idea in case your child doesn't like it.


Re: suzuki flute    19:36 on Monday, September 24, 2007          

Flutist06
(1545 points)
Posted by Flutist06


Just rent a Yamaha 300 series. Pretty much all your child will need until high school. The silver headjoint is a major plus.


I have to disagree. The 300 series Yammies have the same headjoint (CY cut) as the 200's (same goes for the 400's), and thus are almost exactly the same flute, with the exception that have more silver, open holes, and a B foot. No beginner needs open holes (nor do most pros), and they probably would end up having to be plugged, the B foot will not be useful for years (if ever), considering that something like 80 pieces of solo and orchestral repertoire call for a Low B, and the silver won't matter a bit, particularly to a beginner. If you're going after a 300 series just for the silver headjoint, save your money and get a 200 series. Even if the silver made a difference to anyone other than the player (which is HIGHLY debateable), the fact that it's the same (machine made) head means it is going to play the same as a CY from a 200 series flute, but at a higher cost. If there were a switch to a different cut or to a handmade head, there would be an advantage, but not when the material is all that is changing. Now, at the 500 level, the headjoint changes (to the EC being the standard), but it's just as unreasonable to purchase a 500 series flute for a beginner. Even if you consider a silver headjoint to be a plus, in this instance it is hardly a "major" plus. If you're on a budget, just save your money and go with a silver plated (throughout) flute. As long as it's from a reputable maker and in good condition, it will be more than enough for a beginner, and you can always upgrade to a better flute (which does not necessarily imply a silver one) down the road if your daughter chooses to stick with playing.


Re: suzuki flute    21:07 on Monday, September 24, 2007          

Plekto
(423 points)
Posted by Plekto

The only real difference between a 200 and a 300 is the headjoint is solid silver, which does make a difference. They DO make a 300 with closed holes and offset G.

http://www.wwbw.com/Yamaha-YFL321-Flute-i22657.music
This would be a good choice, IMO, to rent if they allow it.


Re: suzuki flute    21:12 on Monday, September 24, 2007          

Flutist06
(1545 points)
Posted by Flutist06

Unfortunately, it's HIGHLY inaccurate to say that the silver will make a difference. There's a major debate within the flute world about what impact material has if any, but here the difference (if any) is so ridiculously minimal that it's not worth the money. Even if material matters, the way the headjoint is designed and cut (i.e. the geometry of the head, particularly the embouchure hole), and the player matter FAR more than the material. Even if there were a major difference between the silver and silver plated versions of the CY cut (which there simply isn't), no beginner is going to be able to appreciate it. Try playtesting a plated Louis Lot and a solid silver Cibaili against each other, and I think you'll find that material far less important than you seem to regard it. If you believe material matters, that's your opinion, and you're perfectly entitled to it, but please be sure to present it as opinion.

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As I noted above, if you choose to buy a Yamaha, go for a simple 200 series flute. There's no need for anything more expensive than that for now.

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Also, I would not recommend purchasing from WWBW. I've had several bad experiences with instruments from them when it came to setup, and it would be far better to purchase from elsewhere (your local music store, Fluteworld, or any other major flute retailer, etc.). If you're shopping for reeds or a mouthpiece, they're great, but for a substantial purchase like this one, WWBW is not a good way to go, IMO.


Re: suzuki flute    07:11 on Tuesday, September 25, 2007          

Kasiek
(3 points)
Posted by Kasiek

Thank you everyone for your adivce, I will check the rentals and see what they rent. If they rent yamaha's I might go with that but if they rent something else, I will just purchase a cheap model and if she sticks with it they we will buy her something better.

Thanks again.


Re: suzuki flute    10:20 on Tuesday, September 25, 2007          

Flutist06
(1545 points)
Posted by Flutist06

If by "cheap model" you mean a Suzuki/Franklin/other no-name flute, I would discourage that plan. Having such a flute will only frustrate her, and even if it doesn't bother her, it will hold her back in her playing. If you choose to purchase a cheap used flute from one of the companies I mentioned, that would be fine, but do steer clear of the off brand instruments.


Re: suzuki flute    14:07 on Tuesday, September 25, 2007          

Plekto
(423 points)
Posted by Plekto

I mentioned the wwbw link for the Yamaha because it's easier to prove that it exists - and also to give the OP an idea of what I'm talking about.

Obviously a local shop is best, though I've heard nothing bad about winds101. Lastly, any shop that rents will have a large supply of ex-rental models as well at a reasonable price. If you buy a used flute and your child decides to not like it later on, you can essentially resell it for not much if any loss - maybe $50 at most for a basic student model.


Re: suzuki flute    17:37 on Tuesday, September 25, 2007          

Flutist06
(1545 points)
Posted by Flutist06

Obviously a local shop is best, though I've heard nothing bad about winds101.
Nor have I. I include winds101 in the category of "flute retailers" and buying from Liz is certainly a good way to go if she has what you want.


Lastly, any shop that rents will have a large supply of ex-rental models as well at a reasonable price.

They may or may not (some shops will donate rentals that would otherwise be retired and sold to charities or poorly funded schools), but it's worth a shot. Keep in mind, though that rental instruments are often put through quite a bit of abuse (and the techs at most music stores aren't usually aren't the greatest), so you should have any potential purchases that were rentals checked out by a third party tech to be sure there is nothing wrong with it.

Re: suzuki flute    17:56 on Tuesday, September 25, 2007          

brittanyduh
(3 points)
Posted by brittanyduh

my sugestion is to rent a flute from the school. after a year or so- if they are still interesting in the instrument then go along buying one- you can ask the school music teacher about the type you can get- and even maybe get a discount you know?


Re: suzuki flute    18:01 on Tuesday, September 25, 2007          

Flutist06
(1545 points)
Posted by Flutist06

Personally I would not suggest renting from a school. For instance, what do you do if the instrument suddenly breaks down? Fe (in fact, I've never heard of any such middle/elementary school) schools have the equipment, materials or expertise to repair instruments. Which also brings up the issue of what condition the instrument is in. Most music stores will go over newly returned instruments before renting them out again, but for a school to do this would require a good chunk of the budget that would be better applied elsewhere. I think it's best to leave renting to the music stores and teaching to the teachers. Some schools have instruments you can borrow (though this is rare below the high school level) without a fee, and if this is the case, then you don't stand to lose out should something go wrong, but giving money to a school for an instrument just isn't a good way to go, IMO.


Re: suzuki flute    01:50 on Wednesday, September 26, 2007          

Account Closed
(3248 points)
Posted by Account Closed

For heaven sakes Chris, do you agree with anyone? lololol!!!

My suggestion would be to look at the standard student makes that Flutist06 has listed. My personal choice would be to try to get a used Yamaha, but they can get pretty pricey. I usually sell them for about $325.00 used. (With added features)
I think that the Gemeinhardt would be on the very low end of my list on the list that was provided. Why? Because while they are made okay, IMO I think they are harder to get a focused sound on for beginners because of the embouchure whole design of the headjoint. I would also not bother spending any extra price on a solid silver anything on the flute as this point. Leave that for latter on when the child has progressed some and is time to move up. While I have never had any dealings with Liz, she is a friend of mine and I know that she would take very good care of you.


Re: suzuki flute    01:54 on Wednesday, September 26, 2007          

Flutist06
(1545 points)
Posted by Flutist06

For heaven sakes Chris, do you agree with anyone? lololol!!!


I do when what they post agrees with my knowledge/experience! Otherwise I'm more than willing to question (or flat-out disagree with) it!

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Heck! Why not throw logic onto that list of things information must agree with before I accept it too!


Re: suzuki flute    21:34 on Wednesday, September 26, 2007          

brittanyduh
(3 points)
Posted by brittanyduh

well. i know the school i go to gives yo ua perfectly good wroking flute- if it doesnt work they give you another- and if it breaks they give you another. and it will do until the child is sure its what he/she wants to do. because whats the sense of wasting so much money buying an instrument if the child wont stick with it/like it?


   








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