Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900

Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900

    
Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    12:46 on Sunday, March 13, 2011          

ncpnic
(32 points)
Posted by ncpnic

Hi everybody, wanna ask you about the quality comparatives betwn these flutes, so tell me what do you think about each one:
-Gemeinhardt KGM limited
-Yamaha 481H
-Haynes amadeus PF900
thanks, God bless you


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    20:19 on Monday, March 14, 2011          

Bilbo
(1340 points)
Posted by Bilbo

A quick observation.
A very interesting set of three choices.
I would surely recommend play testing all three
because their concepts of tone and manufacture are rather varied.
As a result, much depends upon what you are looking for in the tone production area.
~bilbo
N.E. Ohio


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    17:53 on Tuesday, March 15, 2011          

ncpnic
(32 points)
Posted by ncpnic

yes, what you say is true, thanks for your commments, I wanna ask people who have been playint's these flutes, for comments and comparations talking about them, I've been playing 8 years, and now I wanna buy a pre professional flute, and I found these 3 flutes that my teacher recommend me. and well some people in this forum have more experience than me so, please tell me what do you think about each one and wish one would you preffer. thanks everybody
God bless you


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    21:27 on Tuesday, March 15, 2011          

Bilbo
(1340 points)
Posted by Bilbo

-Haynes amadeus PF900 Would give most players a more varied (modern) tonal spectrum while providing also a modern scale.
I wouldn't think that the 400 series of Yamaha is much of a step up from their beginner models to justify the price. I own an earlier 581 model (Solid silver tube) and a bit newer 600 series and so, I'd recommend 600 or better Yamaha.
Many players would shy away from the Gemmys but that model may be a pretty nice instrument. I have no experience w/KGM ltd. as they only really sell the low end ones around here lately. Maybe I'll see one at our upcoming flute fest in April.


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    16:28 on Wednesday, March 16, 2011          

ncpnic
(32 points)
Posted by ncpnic

thanks.


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    18:18 on Saturday, March 19, 2011          

flvtist
(11 points)
Posted by flvtist

Given those choices, I would go with the Yamaha as that is a flute that can get you through a college music program.
Also, Yamaha gives you a nice big fat sound. I have tried Amadeus out of curiosity and Gemeinhardt and I hated them
both. Those don't give me a big enough sound.

I don't know how much you have to spend, but if you have enough, the best flute you can get that doesn't cost and arm
and a leg (well under $5000 brand new if you know the fellow in the U.S. that sells them here....or at least that's how much it was when
I bought mine from him about 8 years ago), the best flute you can get for your money is a solid silver Murumatsu AD.

If you do get the Yamaha, be sure to get a used one that was made in Japan, NOT one of the ones made in the USA. Hope that helps!


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    11:30 on Sunday, March 20, 2011          

DaveandKateplus1
4

the best flute you can get for your money is a solid silver Murumatsu AD.


Muramatsu flutes are good. However, while the a Muramatus AD may be the best flute for you, it may not fit another player. The Muramatsu AD is now the DS model and can be found used.

I never label or say what is the "best flute" because there is no such thing. There are so many wonderful makers to choose from. Just find what is best for you.


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    12:30 on Sunday, March 20, 2011          

flvtist
(11 points)
Posted by flvtist

You are welcome to your opinion, but being as the original poster wanted an opinion, I gave mine. For the record, you took my comment out of context. I was basically saying that if you only have about $5000 to spend, you can't beat a Murumatsu or a quality Japanese-made Yamaha. Obviously, there are better flutes than the Murumatsu. The only handmade Powells, older (but not TOO old) top-notch Haynes, the Brannon-Coopers, etc... are probably the very best flutes to have, but not too many people have the $10,000+ for those.

For the record, I've been playing the flute for well over 30 years, so I do know what I'm talking about. I have played professionally and I do teach flute students. Gemeinhardt instruments are great for beginners and some people do play them through college, but the serious players know to avoid them as they don't give you the big, fat flute sound that is most desireable.


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    13:53 on Sunday, March 20, 2011          

DaveandKateplus1
4

My apologies for taking your comment out of context. My mistake.

I don't really want to get into back grounds and who knows what etc..

Opinions are good. Facts are good to have around too


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    21:13 on Sunday, March 20, 2011          

laurenkaye17
(8 points)
Posted by laurenkaye17

I tested out all three of those a week ago when purchasing my new flute. I took along the Armstrong Omega I have been playing on to compare as well. Going in, I knew I didn't like Gemeinhardts or Yamahas, but I went ahead and tried them anyway, and both were a no. The Armstrong was definitely better quality than both of those. The Amadeus 900 though was much nicer than my Armstrong, and it was a narrow choice between that one and the Pearl 765CODA that I chose. I would recommend the Amadeus, but you should play them all before you decide which you want.


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    21:23 on Sunday, March 20, 2011          

flvtist
(11 points)
Posted by flvtist

Out of curiosity, were those American-made Yamahas that you tried? Those are not made nearly as well as the Japanese-made ones.


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    16:34 on Monday, March 21, 2011          

ncpnic
(32 points)
Posted by ncpnic

why everybody get away from Gemeinhardt's flutes, are they a bad option for me that have 7 years playing? tell me please because I like the gemeinhardt KGM limited flute. Give me your opinion,
Thanks


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    16:39 on Monday, March 21, 2011          

flvtist
(11 points)
Posted by flvtist

If you like it and you are doing well with it and don't feel like you need something better yet, then just keep playing what you've got.


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    18:30 on Monday, March 21, 2011          

cflutist
(175 points)
Posted by cflutist

It is not that Gemeinhardt KGM flutes are bad, but rather, many feel that there are better flutes out there for the money.
Some feel that Gemmys have not kept up with others in their class as far as design and scale are concerned.

For the record, I have a Gemeinhardt 3KSB (pre-cursor to the KGM) that I take camping, and it is an ok flute. What I don't like about it is the "J" headjoint. I played on a friend's Sankyo flute (for about the same money) which I liked much better. My main flute is a 14K Brannen-Cooper (which I love, especially the Brögger Mekanik™ mechanism on it) and my backup flute is a soldered tone-hole Haynes.


Re: Gemeinhardt KGM limited vs Yamaha 481H vs haynes amadeus pf900    07:49 on Tuesday, March 22, 2011          

Bilbo
(1340 points)
Posted by Bilbo

To ncpnic,
if you are satisfied with this KGM-LTD flute then it may be the one for you. When selecting a flute, it can be difficult to wade through all of the various issues such as cost, value and availability. I'd say that posters on these things here are displaying them rather nicely in a variety of ways :-)

For example, you may be confronted with the problem of availability. Is the suggested flute available to you for a fair trial period? If not, can you try it out in the seller's place? Is there a guarantee in case it's not what you want or if it's not working properly? At least spend a few hours with the flute in a practice room....because buying a flute "sight unseen" is really taking a gamble. The problem is that the flute (New or used) may not be playing up to standard or that it wasn't really what you wanted. Regarding playing condition, even many of the "brand New" flutes from stores that market at shows have been "tested" by loads of people, carted from one show to another and generally banged around some. This may mean that they aren't playing at their full potential.

As another example, someone may suggest a flute that is more expensive. If you do your research, you can spend "many multiples" of the cost of the KGM Ltd. for a better flute that may not be what you really need for you to enjoy your flute experience. It isn't difficult to find a flute within the range of $600. to $60,000. USD. But do we really need to spend that much to enjoy our learning experience? After all to paraphrase our Pyrioni, No flute comes with the necessary skills to make beautiful music -Those must be earned.

So frankly the specs of this KGM flute (on paper) aren't that bad for the price. Quote: "The KGM Limited flute combines a solid silver handcut “H1” thinwall headjoint with a solid rose gold riser and solid gold lip plate to create a warm, focused sound. The solid silver body tube provides additional resonance and the silver-plated mechanism features French pointed key arms and 12K white gold springs for lightning response and a smooth feel."

But the question comes up.....Have you had this flute play-tested by an impartial flute instructor? This would let you better hear it's qualities while having a more experienced person check the mechanics.


   








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