Buffet E- 11, R-13 question

Buffet E- 11, R-13 question

Buffet E- 11, R-13 question    14:56 on Saturday, February 06, 2010          

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Posted by Koopyetz

I am considering a clarinet purchase . I'm renting a Buffet E-11 with a Vandoren B45 mouthpiece. It is like new and available for purchase for $950. An aquaintance of mine has a R-13 available for sale for $950. She has ben playing it since she aquired it new in 1970.
The clarinet is made of rosewood.
Your thoughts about an R-13 of this vintage vs the like new E-11. I plan on playing the R-13 as part of my decision.
Thank you.

Re: Buffet E- 11, R-13 question    03:50 on Sunday, February 07, 2010          

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Posted by contra448

The E11 is just like the student B12 only made of wood - until recently, at least, they were made in the Schreiber workshop in Germany. Unless it has had very hard use the R13 would be a better bet.

Re: Buffet E- 11, R-13 question    08:10 on Sunday, February 07, 2010          

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Posted by Koopyetz

Thank you for your reply

Re: Buffet E- 11, R-13 question    08:21 on Sunday, February 07, 2010          

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Posted by Pyface

Yes, I agree! Wood clarinets rarely naturally deteriorate! As long as it's been looked after well, the R-13 will be better. Also, if it's survived all these years, it's reliable!

Re: Buffet E- 11, R-13 question    13:54 on Sunday, February 07, 2010          

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Posted by Koopyetz


Thank you also for your reply

Re: Buffet E- 11, R-13 question    16:01 on Sunday, February 07, 2010          


Are you sure the clarinet is made of rose wood?
I have never heard of an R-13 or any buffet being rose-wood

Re: Buffet E- 11, R-13 question    07:13 on Tuesday, February 09, 2010          

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Posted by Koopyetz

Hello Rosewood is what was mentioned by current R-13 owner.

I did a search regarding the use of Rosewood for clarinets. I have pasted what I found from my search.

Ask clarinetists why Grenadilla wood was chosen for clarinet making and ninty-nine out of a hundred (perhaps more) would say, "Because of the sound."
They would, in point of fact, be wrong. The sound was not why Grenadilla was chosen––and it was not clarinetists but clarinet makers who made the choice.
That may sound absurd to the many end users who believe uncritically that manufacturing decisions are made according to the criteria they themselves regard as important. Those of us who have been in manufacturing know better. We know that manufacturers often make products a particular way, with certain materials, not because it then gives the best result for the end-user, but because doing so gives them fewer manufacturing problems.
Clarinet manufacturing is no exception to this upspoken but widely practiced manufacturing rule. The fact is there are many other woods that have better musical qualities than Grenadilla wood; woods that have a better, more stable tone; woods that have a better response. Honduran Rosewood immediately comes to mind in this regard, but there are others. It produces a darker, more coloristically stable tone of greater beauty than Grenadilla and the response is quite superior throughout the dynamic and pitch range of the clarinet.
So why was it not used rather than Grenadilla?
Very simple: making Honduran Rosewood clarinets is a manufacturing nightmare. First, it does not machine nearly as well as Grenadilla. There is much more waste involved in processing it, and waste is lost money and time. The tone holes of the natural wood are so pitted that pads leak terribly. In order to provide a leak proof surface for Rosewood clarinet requires tone hole inserts. Rosewood cracks more frequently than does Grenadilla. Finally, because the wood is so porous, it absorbs great amounts of moisture, causing bore dimensions of the barrel and upper joint to be very unstable. Such instability causes tuning to go "wacko" and the clarinet can feel "blown out" after only a short time of playing. The only solution is to line a large amount of the upper joint bore in hard rubber to stabilize dimensions and reduce cracking. Honduran Rosewood barrels are also usually lined in hard rubber for the same reasons.
Each one of these problems is frustrating to manufacturers, each is difficult, time consuming and costly to solve, and any one of them would label Honduran Rosewood as unviable for large scale production from the manufacturer's point of view––but not from the player's!
In the end, Grenadilla was chosen above other woods because of practical concerns: it was comparitively stable, machined like metal, did not crack as often as other woods and generated less waste in the manufacturing process (this saved money).
Because of these qualities, Grenadilla wood made it possible for manufacturers to economically produce wood clarinets on a large scale.
There is no doubt these features inherent in Grenadilla wood are practical concerns for clarinetists as well as manufacturers. No one wants a clarinet that cracks, leaks or is dimensionally unstable. But as important and practical as these issues are, none has anything to do with the artistic concerns of the clarinetist; beauty of tone, responsiveness and stability of tone in dynamic changes, etc.


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