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Not Simple    21:53 on Saturday, August 21, 2004          
(Fredelweis)
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There is no simple answer to this question. There is no single answer. Edwards is not the best. Edwards is good, but it also depends on an individuals tastes. Shires is a custom horn maker that focuses on trombone only, not trumpet as well (as Edwards does) and they are arguably better than Edwards. But it all depends on what the player wants from the horn, and what sort of sound is expected. Edwards, Rath, And Conn are all very good brands, but there is no absolute in a matter of opinion.


actually    22:38 on Saturday, August 21, 2004          
(Mudia)
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actually th s.e shires company is starting a new line up of trumpets so now rath is about the only company trombone bias

and if yall can find some sites with some marching core vidieos on it send a link


Shires trumpets    02:57 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004          
(Quillipern)
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Since when is Shires starting to produce trumpets? If there is a website that says anything about this, please let us know. I couldn`t find anything at the shires website. There are enough trumpet manufacturers already. They also have Dave Monette building trumpets, and trombone players don`t have any custom manufacturers that can match him. If Steve Shires started building heavyweight horns that worked as well as Dave Monette`s trumpets, he wouldn`t have any reason to build trumpets. He`d have enough trombone business. Instrument manufacturers should stick to the one kind of instrument they are best at. Otherwise they are compromising on quality, which goes against the S.E. Shires corporate slogan. Okay, enough ranting for me.


shire    19:59 on Wednesday, August 25, 2004          
(Mudia)
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go under trumpets and it will show you now thees ppl are who i buy my stuff fro i recomend ther horns any of ther horns are tweeked and good and redy to go http://www.hornguys.com/ if they asked who recomended them tell them MUDIA did it. i pulled this from the site


Shires Trumpets
Steve Shires in Boston makes some of the world`s most beautiful trombones, and now he`s setting up his shop for trumpet production. He`ll offer several styles of bells and leadpipes, and incredible engraving. No word on ETA or exact price, but we do have a Bach style in silver plate on order. Stay tuned.



   22:11 on Wednesday, August 25, 2004          
(Mas)
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i dont understand how making trumpets would comprimise Steve Shires work. Shires will ALWAYS produce a great trombone regardless of side projects.

and to stand up for Edwards the 2 guys who run the main Edwards office are both trombone players... and great ones at that, so i dont understand how edwards is of lesser quality, if anythign they are better because they have great trombone players working to make you sound as good as possible


Good trombones    02:07 on Thursday, August 26, 2004          
(Bobert)
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Perhaps in the early half of the century, people said the same thing about Vincent Bach and his trumpet. And look at Bach trumpets today. Granted, the company ownership has changed, but they are very poor instruments today. As for Steve Shires, he will continue to make some of the highest caliber trombones produced. However, any energy devoted on building trumpets will not be used to produce better trombone designs. Will trombone players suffer for this? I doubt it. It`s just a physical limitation, that a person cannot give more than 100% of their time, energy, or knowledge. As for Edwards, the horns I have played from them, and from their parent company Getzen, they have all been quite outstanding horns. Yet even for custom horns, I find that the Edwards feel a little bit more mass produced than the Shires. They are very good horns, and very consistant, but they all have little imperfections that the Shires never seem to have. But I suppose to have the perfect horn, an individual player needs to work with the manufacturer to design a horn that is specifically taylored to that person. And in that case, I don`t think it matters that much whether or not the company produces other instruments, if they are going to devote effort to creating a single perfect horn for one player.


who cares?    23:41 on Thursday, August 26, 2004          
(Trombone man)
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Who really cares about the brand of your trombone? i have a yamaha and i sound pretty good and i am first trombone in all my band classes. the point is, whatever trombone you have, stick with it and learn how to make yourself sound good regardless of the brand you have.


Good point    01:56 on Friday, August 27, 2004          
(Bobert)
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That is a great point. I don`t think we are placing equipment over talent or skill in this forum. I think it is more of a matter of trying to find the best equipment that will enhance your sound and let you play to your full potential. As David Monette says of his instruments "Eventually, your true sound will come out, no matter what you play. Our horns just make it easier to find that sound." Besides that, you are playing a Yamaha which is quite a fine horn anyway.


yam,as    02:35 on Saturday, August 28, 2004          
(Mudia)
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i trully believ that a yahama.... is not all of that great of a horn it dosnt even beat bach
i not tryng to be meen but this kid in my band has a yamaha triger and sounds so horrible and hees not a bad player its just his horn


Yamaha trombones    03:53 on Saturday, August 28, 2004          
(Bobert)
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And I believe that Yamaha trombones can match or beat just about any mass produced trombone on the market. I have never played a new Bach that was as good as a Yamaha. That includes a number of Stradivarius (both 36 and 42) in comparison to Yamaha`s mid level (446 and 448, 456, 548) trombones (not to mention their pro models). The only flaw with Yamaha is the lacquer that they use. It is great lacquer, in the sense that it is nearly indestructible. Unfortunately, it kills a great deal of the resonance of the horn. So I don`t think it`s the horn. It`s the player.


dfdsf    18:56 on Wednesday, September 1, 2004          
(Mudia)
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where do yall pppl live man in my band the trombones are g**
like this one fag named ed price


Yamaha horns    16:26 on Thursday, September 2, 2004          
(n0tshort)
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Ok here is the ultimate on Yamaha. They play well I like there slides the engineering of the f attachment on some of there newer lines sucks. By putting the f attachment inside the tuning slide they help with intonation but the mechanics rubs against my neck and so I dont like the F attac horns. They look cool and have a bright sound. All yamahas will have a brighter sound than an american made horn and if you want a bright sound go with a yamaha, unless you dont like them(like myself) for some reason. There lead horns that I have played play alot like a king. Infact I played a 2b yesterday then went to the yamha horn (peeshooter dont remember the model but it was the pro horn) It was almost identical to the silvertone in sound and playability, It cost a little less and that might influence the purchase. Finaly and this is verry important. After Trying a new horn yamaha or any thing else go sleep with your neighbors wife. Wait i meen go play your own horn and compare. you might be suprized with your old horn.


yamamamma    21:47 on Thursday, September 2, 2004          
(Mudia)
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well i give him a thumbs up on everything esext the whole breakt the tenth comandment thing yes but he actually hit it just right a yamaha will always have a brighter sound because of its laqure finish as you cn tell how thick and bright it looks but they are fair horns and can do some pretty amazing things


Re: Which brand is best ??    20:13 on Saturday, September 11, 2004          
(Dave Myrow)
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Please share thoughts about which bass bone might be a good choice for me. Back at U of Illinois, I played on Bachs and my personal horn was a (used) custom King. After 20 years not playing, I found a used Conn 88H (in great shape), but it really can`t cut bass work. From comments and pictures, I`m drawn to the Getzen 1052, but no one in Buffalo has even seen one. I`m looking for an axe that would be good all around for amateur work: some big band, concert band; not too heavy (I`m getting older!), doesn`t suck too much air (like our old Bachs - could never fill them up). Thayer valves and all are super, but out of my price range. (I usually look for used horns in good shape). Thanks in advance for your ideas.


bass    12:09 on Sunday, September 12, 2004          
(Mudia)
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well what i can see is that many people like it when it comes to an edwards with a bass trombone getzen ive never heard much same with conn exept that they have good fattachments but then if you want to go for the gold i could say rath but this is expensive just like the edwards and ive never tryed both but dont take my word take this mans word that i found on the internet http://homepages.gac.edu/~smoore/My_New_Rath.html
and then there is edwards brows both if you like.....
http://www.edwards-instruments.com/trombone/bass/
but then again im just a kid so dont take my word take their`s


   








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