Seriously folks, it DOES NOT MATTER how high you can blast out a note. If you can`t play it beautifully and fully in any style at any dynamic at any length and with any articulation, then, I`m sorry to break it to you, you DON`T HAVE THAT NOTE. Sitting in a practice room or outside and squeaking out some crazy high note that you aren`t even sure what it is so you have to double check with someone else is NOT playing high. Nailing Bolero, or Also Sprach Zarathustra, or Schumann`s Symphony No 3, "Rhenish", or Beethovens 5th, or many other where you play in the extreme upper register with CONTROL and ACCURACY is playing high.

Hope you all read this. Maybe I`ll post it in a new topic. Important issue.

"you can play the double pedal Bb (only possible on a double trigger bass) (apperently without using a bass)"

to play double pedal Bb you do not need a double trigger bass. It is in First position jsut like Pedal Bb, just thought i would clear that up

Um, not really. That would be a false tone, a single pedal lipped down. Not a real note. The pedal Bb is the BOTTOM of the overtone series of the horn, so there are NO real notes below it in that possition. You can lip it down, but that is not a real note.

falsetone?

Yeah, a tone that is lipped to that position from another, like anything below pedal Bb in 1st position.

The trombone, like all brass instruments, follows the rules of the overtone series. From pedal Bb, they are as follows: Bb(pedal), Bb, F, Bb, D, F, Ab, Bb, C, D, and on and on. These are the notes in the overtone series, the notes that in nature would vibrate when playing that pedal Bb. Each of these notes fits in a groove on the trombone in 1st position. (Although some need minor adjustment to be played in tune). Notes outside this series, like a double pedal Bb with no trigger, or lipping a tuning Bb down to A or Ab while remaining in 1st, would be a false tone. A note that sounds right, and might even be in tune, but is not in one of the natural "grooves" on the trombone.

i never said it was on the horn im just saying its possible to play it on a straight trombone

-Wes

But, like I said, it is not a real note. It does not exist on a single or non-trigger horn.

haha. yeah, once you start getting above the high Bb (2 octaves above the one on bottom of staff) it starts getting extremely sharp and flat, and sometimes it can jump more than an octave in one partial. Yeah, I could hit the high notes much better when I had braces, because I started playing trombone with braces, but now that I got them off, Ive only had em off for like 2 months, I am getting adjusted. It is much different but much better without them.

Actually, it`s the other way around. The higher you get, the closer the partials are. For example, the high F an octave and a fifth above tuning Bb can be played in virtually every position, meaning pretty much every note above that can be played in 1st. And pretty much every note above and including F above tuning Bb is out of tune and must be adjusted.

"to play double pedal Bb you do not need a double trigger bass. It is in First position jsut like Pedal Bb, just thought i would clear that up"

Yes, true. But that is very very hard and very few people can do that. I do play a double trigger bass trombone and even I can barely do it. Sadly, I can only managed a Pedal F.

And past high Bflat, you can play a lot of the scale in first. You can go C, D, fake E and F. That`s how far I`ve ever gone. Of course this was on tenor. I couldn`t do it on my bass.

anyone want to tell me wat a pedal tone is

The pedal tones are the notes an octave below low Bb (for us trombones). They are the fundamental partial of our instrument, the lowest the instrument will go without using the trigger.

Hey, Im a sophomore in high school and i can easily hit high b flat... i was just wondering if there were actually notes above b flat or whether it is just a really high buzzing sound... if so wat are the positions

yeah there are higher notes beyond high Bb. my music mentor played some notes for me. they almost sound like dog whistles. he said it all matters on air and moving lip tissue.

im in 7th grade now and and eb is a fairly difficult note to play but you should just practice .