Re: Hardest piece ever

    
Re: Hardest piece ever    18:25 on Friday, June 9, 2006          

SomeClarinetPlay
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i dont think so........ not for someone who played the piano for many years... Its in a Level 8 book, which means that anyone who played for a few years can already play it...
also, the name part... i play both


Re: Hardest piece ever    11:36 on Sunday, June 11, 2006          

russian
(5 points)
Posted by russian

Does anybody think that working out with weights slows you down on performing well on the piano?


Re: Hardest piece ever    05:53 on Monday, June 12, 2006          

o0pixie0o
(2 points)
Posted by o0pixie0o

Hi Guys.Im looking for a hard nice piece but not very hard cause im not az experienced as U im playing piano about 6 years... when i say hard i mean just a little bit harder than APPASSIONATA .
can anyone help me 2 find sth ?


Re: Hardest piece ever    10:47 on Wednesday, June 14, 2006          

eliz82
(2 points)
Posted by eliz82

1. hmmm ... yeahhh they are a lot of chalenging and difficult compositions and compositors, especialy in modern music, but they really write some craps, most of them intentionally to seem brave.
Sorabji, Xenakis, Staravinsky, Martino and other difficult modern composers ... 4 hours of playing of crap music ... a-tonal , inharmonical , a-ryhmical music ... total bulshitt. they ar concerts for piano longest that "crap cembalisticum", who take 8 hours , and pieces that you need 5 hands to play ... but they value something ? for me ... NOTHING. do you want to write you a composition who take 4 hours to play and you need 3 hands ... i write in maximum one day, but that is not music for me.
i like beatifull, harmonical , rhythmical, tonal , profund and difficult(physiqualy and psychically) music.

2. and other thing that i observe on this thread is that from your point of view it`s seems difficult pieces that seems very easy for me. chopin balades ? beethoven sonates ? ... ha ha ha. i consider difficult pieces that are hard to play for giffted pianists not for a 10 years or 30 years experience pianists. from 10.000 pianists whit 30 years experience only 1 is a genius. i consider difficult the music that is hard to play for that giffted pianist and in the same time is harmonical, rythmical, tonal, profound and here is a short clasiffication:

EASY:
Field, Schubert, Gershwin, Joplin, Tchaikovsky, Beethoven, Mozart, Albenitz, Chopin, Czerny, Offenbach, Scarlatti, Ravel, etc
MEDIUM:
Bach, Medtner, Scriabin, Balakirev, Rachmaninoff, Bortkiewicz , Busoni, Liszt, MacDowell, etc
HARD:
Godowsky, Alkan

i make this top, listening over 70% of works that those composers wrote for the piano (exept czerny,macdowell,bortkiewicz). i list only the known composers (whit few excepts). i also have listening compositions for piano of over 200 composers before 1950 year like: Mendelssohn, Henselt, Moszkowski, Paderewski , Corelli, Brahms, Weber, Scharwenka, Sauer ,Parry, Stanford, Massenet, Hahn, Huss, Clementi, Schelling, Marx, Korngold, Lyapunov, Fuchs, Ligeti, Hummel, Kiel ,Kullak, Dreyschock, Quilter, Gabrilovich, Levitzki, Palmgren, Tausig, Rubinstein, etc ... etc

my favorites composers are Chopin and Alkan . Alkan is the greatest ... he`s a mystic of piano music and those who like profund and difficult keyboard music are irrecoverable inlove by him once they discover him.

read some alkan biography here (ore use google for more details):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Valentin_Alkan

and an example of difficult composition here (listen the end part):
http://www.nanasawa.net/articulates/audio/1009-13.swf

they are a lot of difficult and profund compositions on this level in alkan music :
Part 3 of Concerto for Solo Piano - Allegretto alla barbaresca, part 2 of Concerto da camera op 10 no 2- Tempo , Etude no. 07 Op 35 'L'incendie au village voisin' , Grande Sonate 20 ans , Grande Sonate 30 ans ,etc, etc

they are only a 20 pianist in this century who had courage to play alkan music in public, and personnel i like only two: Hamelin and Ringeissen. other like Laurent Martin, Ronald Smith have not enough speed ... Lewenthal and Ogdon have not enough sensitivity of this kind of profund music.

if you want to send you some samples of Alkan music write me an email on invizibil2002@yahoo.com

p.s is hard rachmaninov third concerto ??? is hard a concerto that 1 terminal year student from 10 (from a conservatoire) is playing it acceptable. i think NOT.


Re: Hardest piece ever    14:20 on Wednesday, June 14, 2006          

latchford
(1 point)
Posted by latchford

is chopins etude no 3 op 10 hardish to learn for some one who has only been playing for 4 years


Re: Hardest piece ever    14:49 on Wednesday, June 14, 2006          

Holmes6448
(2 points)
Posted by Holmes6448

Eliz 82 i totally agree.

Moreover in performing a piece it's not really the difficulty or 'complexity' of a piece that makes music good. Its the harmonics, rhymic structure and the musical techniques that make a really good piece of music. As good as Rachmaninovv is i'd rather listen to a Bach Partita or something which is more than a vehicle for virtuosity.

I think the modern piano repertoire is unhealthily obsessed with all this showy fast nonsense that takes the musical value away.


Re: Hardest piece ever    01:46 on Saturday, June 17, 2006          

eliz82
(2 points)
Posted by eliz82

hamelin plays list hungarian raphsody no. 2 whit an original cadentza at the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBygW-3ffOY&mode=related&search=Hamelin

hamelin plays third movement from alkan`s concerto for piano solo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSBZwQHym2U&search=alkan
i like more the studio version (audio) where the glisando part from the end of this video is played normaly almost at the glisando speed and they are no mistakes, but a really think that a piece whit this complexity cannot be play perfectly live.


Re: Hardest piece ever    23:31 on Saturday, June 17, 2006          

o0pixie0o
(2 points)
Posted by o0pixie0o

Good MIDIs Here :
http://www.kunstderfuge.com
...
finally decided to play chopin fantasy impromptu


Re: Hardest piece ever    14:21 on Monday, June 26, 2006          

Billybobmax
(1 point)
Posted by Billybobmax

The Ossia Cadenza from Piano Concerto No. 3 in d-minor Op. 30 is definitely the hardest..it has over 70 notes per measure >.>


Re: Hardest piece ever    06:36 on Tuesday, July 4, 2006          

morgtom
(1 point)
Posted by morgtom

Iv been playing for a few years (15 or so) and i went though a time where music seemed to easy, or boring. I tired jazz piano, far more room to play less rules, improv, and playing with a band also doesnt look as easy as i thought it would. Now i play almost exclusivly jazz, and have been for bout 3 years. every day i find outsomthing new, a differnt chord to use with a differnt scale mode or watever. yes i used the word mode, not somthing u see in classical music. Try and play a nice slow easy jazz standard and then rip out some improv. trust me u be a better musician for it and its not as mindless as u think. I no a lot of fine jazz musicians who have been playing longer than 32 years, and they are head and sholders above anything u can find in the classical genre.


Re: Hardest piece ever    07:07 on Tuesday, July 4, 2006          

muso_man
(80 points)
Posted by muso_man

i agree with morgtom there plenty of jazz muso's out there who can play all over classical musicians....and modes are really important in music i find....i think no musician should feel their bored of music or what their playing if they keep exploring...My grandma is 92 and still plays piano (well) and is playing new stuff....

On another note....if you want something hard to play well look at some debussy...then again you people might be out of my league...but ive just learnt 'girl with the flaxan hair' and loved the challange its a beautiful piece and its not just the technicality of it, its the emotive nature of the piece...if you can play it well with emotion i commend you.


Re: Hardest piece ever    22:03 on Wednesday, July 5, 2006          

Mini_Mozart
(245 points)
Posted by Mini_Mozart

Well man if you ask me i would most certainly say paganini etude (la campanella piano arrangement)Liszt would be hard not quite the hardest i mean (i am sitting ma first exam and i can play it!!) latazz chill


Re: Hardest piece ever    22:06 on Wednesday, July 5, 2006          

Mini_Mozart
(245 points)
Posted by Mini_Mozart

Sergei Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 3 in D minor
take care man


   








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